TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

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  • Vendetta21
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    • Aug 2006
    • 2745

    #196
    Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

    Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
    Lol FFS man, I'm not pushing you for making a bad play or asking you what a hypocop is. I'm pushing you for contradictions that you are continuously failing to address. You've changed your reasoning for making the bad play twice now, and revert to trying to define things for me when uo against a wall. This isn't my paranoia, it's literally you changing your story and then wanting me to stop asking you to explain the contradicting points. I'm not tunneling in here; I've agreed with you and paused pressing you to prod Raeko, ask Tokz for clarification, and side with you in the lil Meno dispute.
    i haven;t changed my story???

    ...???

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    • Vendetta21
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      • Aug 2006
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      #197
      Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

      what contradictions?

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      • Vendetta21
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        • Aug 2006
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        #198
        Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

        what have i failed to address?

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        • Vendetta21
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          • Aug 2006
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          #199
          Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

          have i made the responsibility for the bad play someone other than my own? i have questioned the people quesitoning my play but i haven't ever deflected that i was the one who made it???

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          • Vendetta21
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            • Aug 2006
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            #200
            Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

            i pretty much realized it didn't go down as e when lito counterclaimed and started pushing me and immediately started doing damage control when i had a whiff that the push was going to go towards me

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            • ShadoWolfe
              FFR Player
              • Jun 2009
              • 171

              #201
              Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

              Originally posted by Vendetta21
              seer hunt clear simply means i throw out a fake and if i get bussed or vigi'd unexpectedly and flip green the person i peeked is cleared because it was obvious the wolves killed me
              Originally posted by Vendetta21
              but in that position where wolves don't know who the seer is and might try to kill them because they provide the strongest value to the human team, pretending to be seer with a n0 peek during d1
              Originally posted by Vendetta21
              because the intention was to just throw it out there and see if something stuck, i never intended to die because of it
              Fucking read your own posts. I'm pushing you because you're contradicting yourself and you're not making sense in your claimed intentions.
              Your response has been describing things to me as if you're teaching me something while using terms incorrectly at the same time. You can't seerhunt clear someone without dying. You can't get bussed if you're not a wolf. You don't get vigi'd by someone who isn't a vigi.


              I'm gonna try this again now, and please respond by actually addressing my questions instead of "linking me a game with SHC in it"

              "I'm getting mixed signals here. A person (lito in the example you used earlier) is seer hunt cleared as town when the scumteam kills someone (you) with a fake peek on them (in an attempt to hunt the seer).
              How did you plan on SHC anyone if you didn't intend to die?

              What did you hope to gain out of it in the day phase? What could "stick"?
              There's no way you could have "died unexpectedly" lol it's either you intended to SHC lito (your pregious claim) by dying or you didnt intend to die (your claim now) and it was never supposed to SHC anyone. "





              Originally posted by Hakulyte
              I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
              Originally posted by XelNya
              " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
              Originally posted by YoshL
              "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
              Originally posted by mellon_collie
              "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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              • Vendetta21
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                • Aug 2006
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                #202
                Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

                i think maybe you are expecting the sort of calculation and control of a mastermind or something and aren't satisfied when i deliver less than that because youn want to best someone who is pulling many strings or something, which you aren't doing right now. you're harping on something that the better angels of your judgment don't fully believe but your desire to clinch a day one kill is causing your ego to inflate to the point of tunnel vision.

                i haven't played this game seriously since 2015 so my memory is foggy and how i should proceed is dictated by ideas that maybe arent relevant anymore, but i basically opened the phase by posting shit that i thought would get it going. a shc and a probabilistic guess at the night kill, then lito was very excited and i had to respond before things got ridiculous, so i've just been posting my thoughts since then trying to salvage what is an easy fucking kill for the wolves

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                • ShadoWolfe
                  FFR Player
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 171

                  #203
                  Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

                  Originally posted by freakysnots
                  and i probably think this is the case so i'm going to out that my ally was indheart. wolves most likely know this so they now have to guess my adversary for a free night kill

                  also i'm clear
                  Oh..

                  Well, you change your allegiances every night, so they don't get that free night kill after all





                  Originally posted by Hakulyte
                  I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                  Originally posted by XelNya
                  " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                  Originally posted by YoshL
                  "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                  Originally posted by mellon_collie
                  "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                  • Vendetta21
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                    • Aug 2006
                    • 2745

                    #204
                    Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

                    Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
                    Fucking read your own posts. I'm pushing you because you're contradicting yourself and you're not making sense in your claimed intentions.
                    Your response has been describing things to me as if you're teaching me something while using terms incorrectly at the same time. You can't seerhunt clear someone without dying. You can't get bussed if you're not a wolf. You don't get vigi'd by someone who isn't a vigi.


                    I'm gonna try this again now, and please respond by actually addressing my questions instead of "linking me a game with SHC in it"

                    "I'm getting mixed signals here. A person (lito in the example you used earlier) is seer hunt cleared as town when the scumteam kills someone (you) with a fake peek on them (in an attempt to hunt the seer).
                    How did you plan on SHC anyone if you didn't intend to die?

                    What did you hope to gain out of it in the day phase? What could "stick"?
                    There's no way you could have "died unexpectedly" lol it's either you intended to SHC lito (your pregious claim) by dying or you didnt intend to die (your claim now) and it was never supposed to SHC anyone. "
                    where does any of that contradict the idea that i was taking a shot in the dark? when do i believe what i do is anything stronger than that?

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                    • MixMasterLar
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                      • Aug 2006
                      • 5401

                      #205
                      Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

                      Originally posted by freakysnots
                      im just a rude person! wolf probably hit a green where their ally is a wolf
                      No shit that happened

                      Originally posted by freakysnots
                      and i probably think this is the case so i'm going to out that my ally was indheart. wolves most likely know this so they now have to guess my adversary for a free night kill

                      also i'm clear
                      No you're not. Others might have listed him as thiers or you could be a wolf lying thier ass off.

                      In no way are you even close to clear, Freakysnots . You wanna try and redo that garbage tier entrance?

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                      • Vendetta21
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                        • Aug 2006
                        • 2745

                        #206
                        Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

                        maybe since you are caught up on semantics and correct usage of words we should come to an understanding about the phrase "shot in the dark" and maybe see if coming to an agreement on that parlance helps us glean something meaningful???

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                        • ShadoWolfe
                          FFR Player
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 171

                          #207
                          Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

                          [QUOTE=Vendetta21;4513166]i think maybe you are expecting the sort of calculation and control of a mastermind or something and aren't satisfied when i deliver less than that because youn want to best someone who is pulling many strings or something, which you aren't doing right now. you're harping on something that the better angels of your judgment don't fully believe but your desire to clinch a day one kill is causing your ego to inflate to the point of tunnel vision.
                          [/twgv]
                          Lol I swear this isn't even close to being the case. I just wanted my sentences that end with question marks to be answered and not responded to with links to shit I don't need to read. I appreciate that you've even stuck around this long tbh, but do try to see things from my perspective as well and not just from the preconceptions you hold about my perspective.

                          Originally posted by Vendetta21
                          i haven't played this game seriously since 2015 so my memory is foggy and how i should proceed is dictated by ideas that maybe arent relevant anymore, but i basically opened the phase by posting shit that i thought would get it going. a shc and a probabilistic guess at the night kill, then lito was very excited and i had to respond before things got ridiculous, so i've just been posting my thoughts since then trying to salvage what is an easy fucking kill for the wolves
                          Fair enough. My one question and then we can both stop vomiting the entire library of babel onto this thread: When you posted your peek, were you intending to die in order to SHC lito?





                          Originally posted by Hakulyte
                          I followed the "by the book" play, but I was reading the "not to do" page.
                          Originally posted by XelNya
                          " I'd suck a dick in a dark, dark alley."
                          Originally posted by YoshL
                          "i gave you 20 ducks, and spent a lot of time making one of them quack, and pointed at the particular one and asked "is that one the worst quacker"" ... "you could still give somewhat of an answer based on the quality of the quacks, and the other random quacks from the ducks surrounding that weren't the center of focus."
                          Originally posted by mellon_collie
                          "I love Wolfe's duck avi so much. Shado's Duck Shrine is the best!!

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                          • Vendetta21
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                            • Aug 2006
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                            #208
                            Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

                            i guess, in other words, i didn't intend to SHC anyone. but there was a chance i might have, when you stop thinking as the move as having a direct 1:1 correlation with results and instead having a possible correlation with results if i got lucky

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                            • Vendetta21
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                              #209
                              Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

                              Originally posted by ShadoWolfe
                              Fair enough. My one question and then we can both stop vomiting the entire library of babel onto this thread: When you posted your peek, were you intending to die in order to SHC lito?
                              no i didnt intend to die, i only intended to pretend to be the seer indirectly and then if i did happen to die early somehow based on the context then we could reasonably clear those people simply because a few people who know the strategy are in this game

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                              • Vendetta21
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                                • Aug 2006
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                                #210
                                Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

                                but it also doesn't matter if i actually SHC someone, it still, if it had worked, makes parsing out the situation harder for wolves, who have an inherent advantage and usually can get a sense by the end of d1

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