TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[Xiz]

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I think Tokzic is a lot more likely to be town after that eod. Mostly because I think that the Xel vote has a lot of town on it so most of the mafia were probably in Tokzic's wagon

I disagree with tokzic being more towny. The interactions and lack of depth between Xel and Tokzic from the multiple posts I quoted show a lack of thought evolution and reasoning as to what tokzic thought about xel

[Wayward Vagabond]

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*initiative - autocorrect

that makes a hell of a lot more sense. to be honest i didn't think making claims on who i think is wolf that big of a deal but i guess i thought wrong.

[Xiz]

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i think the only reason wolves wouldn't be on you (or just in general off xel) is if you exactly are some wolf PR, and xel not trying to self pres is what's freaking me out there even if you are one of his townreads

Good point. I can absolutely see xelnya sacrificing himself for tokzic if tokzic is a more important wolf.

[Xiz]

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.......unless Tiloco really is blue, or if some kind of guardian is in play (which again, I have my doubts about).

2nd time you have said this. Any particular reasoning as to why?

[Celirra]

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2nd time you have said this. Any particular reasoning as to why?

Reasons for doubting Tiloco as blue: I'll doubt until I have reason to believe, and if he has some info to report back on or at least makes good use of it.

Reasons for doubting guardian: If it's a one-shot kind of guardian then that's fair, but honestly... I have trouble thinking of a better d0 guardian target than Roundbox, who wasn't saved. That's just my own take on it though, unless I'm missing someone else who might've been guarded d0.

[DaBackpack]

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what if this is just the wolf team

I could see blind being a wolf here honestly

[DaBackpack]

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also is there any reason why tiloco shouldn't just out himself right now and tell us what he's done

[Wayward Vagabond]

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these threads are so fucking long. i'm going to sleep i'll continue this when i wake up

[Xiz]

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also is there any reason why tiloco shouldn't just out himself right now and tell us what he's done

"Claiming your role is something that should be carefully considered. There are mechanics in place that punish massclaiming. Claiming your character name is not advised."

op

[Celirra]

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"Claiming your role is something that should be carefully considered. There are mechanics in place that punish massclaiming. Claiming your character name is not advised."

op

Dont you at least want a bit of info from Tiloco?

[Xiz]

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Dont you at least want a bit of info from Tiloco?

I do. I'm not saying that he shouldn't claim, it's a response for dbp.

[MixMasterLar]

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I don't know how smart I am though.

I'm not that smart

and the hammering thing is more so because it was Xel, I would of waited till the last minute. I didn't feel he was scum though, so I know he won in his head that he fooled me, which is annoying. Lol

TBH Xel is a(n elf) dick.

i'm going to reread last day and reassess everything because i was ass wrong with freezin and now i'm not so sure about tokzic or tiloco

Can we get a solid reads list when your done?

Why go for a possible blue when a blue claimed?

If we have two killing forces in the game they may have assumed the other would take care of it to not double stack.

Which leads to the tinfoil of both thinking that and double-stacking on Freezin, which is lols

Then again I'll believe Bodyguard before I believe that.

yesterday i was getting shit for sticking to my d0 tunnels too hard, now this

TBH it's lack of progression not that they changed.

It's a mystery game, I'd still consider the possibility.

Yeah this^

I went through Xel posts and this seems the most relevant to use.

I feel Soundwave is a push away from partners.

Freezing being the only town read is muy importante I think. Might be why he died?

See, if wolves where admitting that they couldnt get Freezin scumread that points that, in the event that we have an SK, that the wolves went after Freezin and -not- the outed Blue.

Which is fucking stupid.

why would freezin being the only town read be important now

See above. I mean it's theorycraft but it's too intriguing not to.

@Lar I'm curious why you stopped evaluating the votes on Xel at Manti. What do you think about DBP and Tokzic going on it?

They're null (as far as this goes). I would have stopped at Manti but IIRC Manti was actually last to make that vote (and suspiciously late, too. Like, "I know my partner is gonna die so bus his ass" suspicious)
Add that with his very subpar vote EoD0 and it just makes me question it.

TBH as far as votes making people look favorably go only to the first two, maaaaaaybe three votes make someone look better. Past that, generally the person is town if there was a counterwagon on a confirmed Town but bussers can chime in. It really is a toss up and only worth noting to compare with other EoDs (Because if you keep voting wolves it doesnt matter how you are you are fucking town)

how good do you think i am at this game :thinking:

Better then you pretend, worst then you believe.

Honestly I don't think a ton can be gained from the Freezin nightkill, I've been thinking it over for a bit now, and I couldn't think of a scenario when any other town would be killed, unless Tiloco really is blue, or if some kind of guardian is in play (which again, I have my doubts about).

The Xel-->Freezin connection implying that the proper wolfteam killed him, vesus an SK, is interesting and really makes me question how experience the wolfteam is.

Past that, we can (And should) revisit that kill when we see if there are two kills next night phase. I wanna know for sure if someone was saved or if we just had a one-shot that first night

Reasons for doubting Tiloco as blue: I'll doubt until I have reason to believe, and if he has some info to report back on or at least makes good use of it.

Reasons for doubting guardian: If it's a one-shot kind of guardian then that's fair, but honestly... I have trouble thinking of a better d0 guardian target than Roundbox, who wasn't saved. That's just my own take on it though, unless I'm missing someone else who might've been guarded d0.

Point 1 is good but I don't know if it's wise for him to say too much.

The Roundbox point is actually really good. I might have tried and saved Haku had I been the one with that power (as someone who was being townread, and as someone who annoys half the community, I've seen him get NK'd first a few times) but clearly that didn't happen either

[MixMasterLar]

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"Claiming your role is something that should be carefully considered. There are mechanics in place that punish massclaiming. Claiming your character name is not advised."

op

TBF he doesnt have to give a name, and he's hardly what I consider massclaiming.

But I think I agree that he should be conservative

[tiloco217]

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So I think I've decided that I am going to give you guys an explanation of my role that is as vague as possible.

I'm given a choice between 2 actions that I can do every night (I choose which one 24 hours before eod).

One of these powers gives guaranteed information but the info it gives is not particularly helpful.

The other has a chance of giving information but if it does it's very good.

I've used the latter ability both nights and gotten nothing from it. I am probably going to use the first ability tonight. That might have something to do with danceguy's post but I doubt it considering none of the other flips have had choices to make (aside from maybe john doe but that's very different).

[MixMasterLar]

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Gonna try and reset some of these reads to an extent.

5) Celirra
Cel is honestly starting to enter white noise territory for me, but he does make some good points now and again. I must confess that his insistence on the idea that guardian is a role is unlikely strikes me like he knows more then he is letting on. Like knowing the gimmick(s) of the game more, perhaps?

I had a pretty positive impression of him but that one thing is urg.

8) Xiz
Xiz has made a few great points but he's still not posting like himself. He's upping his volume which is good.

9) Tokzic
Being counter to a wolf is normally something that slants you town, but the idea that because it was a vanilla wolf and wolves wanted to save the important one has merit if for no other reason then the fact that Xel didn't countervote, as others have pointed out.

I think that he looks better all the same, but I also think the points made that got him wagon'd in the first place have merit. I voted for Tokzic at a point last EoD, afterall. I want to see what he brings today but if it's more two line post and little progression I won't defend him from being lynched.

10) tiloco217
Claims to be a blue, his survivor would be fishy in any other game but lol mystery. Personally there is no reason not to believe him at this point unless he keeps magically surviving. Since he outed, dropping hints for town while protecting his character/details would be nice and I agree with whoever said that he needed to do more to help town--because if he doesn't then I'm going to think he's a lying wolf taking advantage of a setup where no one can counterclaim.
I mean he didn't even give a vague role type you know?

11) DarkManticoreX2
Votes are fishy as fuck. Post seem solid but votes are garbo.
Then again he did lynch a wolf last EoD which is more then some of us can claim so I don't wanna be hard on him. It's our first game so I hate to make assumptions but my understanding is that old school players dont normally bus (Charu notwithstanding).
I just think we need to keep an eye on him.

12) blindreper1179
Your game has been garbage, man. That said, you seem to be taking this phase much more seriously. Rather that's a town who's trying to rethink his game or a wolf who knows he can't get away with the shtick anymore is yet to be seen. My money's on the later but you said that you'll be serious effort in this phase after IRL matters. I'll give you your time and gauge you again before EoD.

13) Wayward Vagabond
Needs to up the content. Is in the middle of reading the thread and if he follows that up with some thoughtful commentary that'll be enough for me (Remember, he's taking Raeko's slot.)

14) DaBackPack
DPB keeps coming back like his town self but he hasn't been bringing that fire his town self has. He did do maximum effort at EoD when he realized that he misremembered the time the phase ended, and that looks good. He also voted Xel, and while he did it late I think all things considered it probably keeps him at town. I wanna see more of DPB ripping the game up but he's still kind of off the table for me.

16) Soundwave-

Hasn't posted today. Actually, this was his last post:

Don't. If you live, this doesn't look good on you.

I don't think he has contributed much to the game overall, but he did vote Xel so that looks good.



And wait that isn't everybody? Isn't InD still in the game? InD looks super fucking clear from the votes alone. He's off the table as far as I am concerned.