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Of course, you're addicted to not being addicted!!! how can you not see it man you're lost
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About 6 years ago, I was heading to church with my family and we stopped to get breakfast at Jack in the Box. There was a homeless man sitting on the divider in the middle of the street. I asked my mom if I could use some of my own money to buy this guy breakfast. She was okay with it, so I bought him a combo meal. When I walked over and gave it to him, he told me to have a wonderful day and that God must be working through me. 30 minutes later during the church service, my mom received a text from my step-dad saying that my grandmother had died. Obviously God works in mysterious ways and my grandmother dying was related to me buying a homeless man a breakfast deal.
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Do i really have to cite wikipedia
"Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true." That means rejecting a belief for being ridiculous does not constitute a belief.
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02-18-2013, 05:45 PM | #247 |
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A lack of belief would be agnostic, though; more or less, not believing in anything in specific. Thus, not believing a deity exists, but also not necessarily believing a deity does not exist.
Basically, atheism is the group of all non-theistic religions/beliefs. The premise that atheists see as true is: "there exists no god". Check and mate, again. Come on now, please. And yes, there are systems in which no premise can be set; not particularly believing in a god does NOT mean you must believe there can NOT be one. You can simply be indecisive, for example... Flat out rejection of a belief is literally the same as believing in (part of) its opposite. Also, Mollocephalus, if your previous post was all pointed towards me: you either have no idea what I'm talking about, have no idea what you are talking about, or you're a troll (you'd be a decent one though). Flat out saying my reasoning is "retarded" really won't make me agree with you, or make me respect you as a person; rather the opposite, so I think only you are losing points there. On a side note, my mind is very open, considering I have changed my overall world views multiple times in the past, and would do so again if I am proposed a theory that seems more likely than what I currently live by. All in all, your entire post can be disregarded. Footnote: atheism = a-theism = a-the-ism = (a-the)-ism = (no god)-belief = belief that no god exists =/= no belief that god exists. This difference is so obvious, why are some of you missing it?
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Gnosticism is a claim about knowledge and what is knowable. Theism is a claim about belief in supernatural deities. They are different things. You can be a gnostic atheist, an agnostic atheist, a gnostic theist, an agnostic theist, etc. It's not meaningful to say that atheism is a belief. People do this, usually, to try to put atheism and theism on the same grounds of validity: "You believe in atheism and I believe in theism, and both stances are equally sound/valid because we simply have faith in opposite directions -- they're both beliefs" which is incorrect. Otherwise, if you're going to say that atheism is a belief (which makes no sense), you have to at least acknowledge that atheism and theism are not on equal grounds of validity. Last edited by Reincarnate; 02-18-2013 at 05:51 PM.. |
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Holy shit.
Atheism = No belief in deities. Agnostic = Believes it is impossible to prove the existence of deities.
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Also, what's the point of bashing on the "atheism is not a belief!!" because you, apparently, very desperately want to reject the idea that you are actually believing something? If you do not believe anything (in religious aspect), then you don't believe no god exists either. I'll just take your word for the gnostic/agnostic part, I really don't care that much about such definitions. Bottom line is that everyone should be free to believe in what ever the fuck they want without people bitching about it and calling eachother retarded or wrong.
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Nothing isn't something.
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It is true only when those who hold a belief don't want to interfere with other people's different way of living, and it is rarely so, considering people with strong belief have also a quite developed feeling of being superior, again enlightened, therefore, they have the mission to "bring the word" to everyone else. That's what makes religion one hell of a social stigma.
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That's right. There's no belief. Lacking a belief is different from saying that one believes something doesn't exist for sure. Last edited by Reincarnate; 02-18-2013 at 06:02 PM.. |
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just wow, lmao And it's not always believers that do bad when it comes to any sort of religious disasters. It really isn't like atheists are always the good guys. The world is far from perfect. Does this thread need to be imperfect too? Apparently. It's a shame, though.
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If all evidence that you can currently get a grasp on suggests that gravity pulls things downwards, why do you still expect to be pulled upwards?
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@Reincarnate: So, from this view on the word "atheist", an atheist doesn't believe that no gods exist, either then? So if you ask an atheist, "does god exists?" he will answer something like "I dunno"? If that really is how you and Mollocephalus view the word "atheist", I can take back all of what I said about the word itself.
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Any educated atheist would say something like "I don't believe so, no" or "there's no evidence pointing towards the existence of one."
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so you admit that you believe there is a possibility that God exists?
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