SotW: TGWP, ALL PARTS! - Page 13

**Tasselfoot** · 11-30-2006, 06:02 PM

part 5 actually is pretty boring, except for one hard section.

**Shashakiro** · 11-30-2006, 06:10 PM

4 is my least favorite one, personally.

In order of preference so far: 2, 1, 3, 4.

**Rebirth0** · 11-30-2006, 06:12 PM

I thought part 5 was really cool :<, I love how epic the ending is.

**macgravel** · 11-30-2006, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephirothkal

Macgravel, I'm not sure if you did or not, but just to be sure did you get the Deus Ex music in part 1? 'Tis 1:20 min into the song I believe (I figured I'd ask as Deus Ex is a somwhat obscure game).

Yes, that was the second one I found when I started earlier.

orbajo · 11-30-2006, 06:19 PM

Well see, I have been a musician since I was in 4th grade, now I am 19 years old. I got into college on a music scholarship as well. And therefore, I don't really think any music is "boring", in the classical genre anyway. Piano playing is always beautiful, and this song is no different.
I listened to the rest of part 4 on the full song, and I stopped as to not spoil part 5, which I cannot wait to try. I will beat part 4 eventually, but not anytime soon, due to those frantic jump patterns.

But I must say Rebirth, the step transcriptions for this song were amazingly well done, I have played the first 3 parts over and over, I love how you made the steps pretty much identical to the piano playing, it feels like I am the one playing this beautiful music. And that's a treat. The cadenzas in part 3, of course all the tempo changes, were handled extraordinarily well.
I assume you are a musician too for being able to do this.

powerdown · 11-30-2006, 06:38 PM

No offence, but i would bet that Rebirth, at the most, maybe plays guitar or something. Btw, I hit a total wall on the timestamp for this, and its getting rather frustrating....

orbajo · 11-30-2006, 06:40 PM

And I suppose playing the guitar doesn't qualify as a musician to you?
It really doesn't matter to me what he plays, he clearly understands the basics and even advanced rhythm patterns, and the basic fundamentals of music for being able to transcribe this song into this game.

EDIT: Yay I finally "passed" part 4. I have to admit I got lucky this particular time throught that jump section, but thankfully it wasn't like that for the whole song, it was pretty easy from there on. I think Part 4 doesn't have the same magic the first 3 have for me, but still a fun part to play along to. Now I just have to get it to where I can actually beat the song confidently and not get lucky..-_-

powerdown · 11-30-2006, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orbajo

And I suppose playing the guitar doesn't qualify as a musician to you?
It really doesn't matter to me what he plays, he clearly understands the basics and even advanced rhythm patterns, and the basic fundamentals of music for being able to transcribe this song into this game.

Never said guitar doesnt count as a musician. Hes just not some virtuoso that can play anything. He obviously has a sense for rythmn, exemplifed in his Stepfiles and his SM skills

dAnceguy117 · 11-30-2006, 06:59 PM

Understanding of rhythms comes from doing this for years. Though Rebirth is more skilled in using tempo changes than I am, I've gotten pretty darn good at recognizing rhythms, as has mostly anyone who has been making notecharts for some time now. In case you're unaware, there's a downloadable program fairly close to this game free to download at www.stepmania.com. Making notecharts with this program has been done for a few years, and there's even a board for it on these forums.

In this sense, playing an instrument isn't really necessary to understand the composition of music. I'd say that most of the community here who makes notecharts for these games doesn't play an instrument. Over time, people have gotten more and more adept at translating music to these games. Rebirth himself was criticized for his notecharts being too shallow and having a lack of correspondence with the music until fairly recently. All of the parts of TGWP you see being put on this game is a very evident byproduct of the evolution that's been going on for a while.

**Rebirth0** · 11-30-2006, 07:01 PM

I'm not really a musician anymore, if you even considered me one before now.

I played the Alto Sax in all of middle school, but quit before high school. I never practiced, like I was supposed to. Never. I never practiced, but I was one of the best players in the entire school. I don't know why I was so good. When I started high school, I learned that all of the music we'd be playing would be memorized, and we'll be marching a lot of the time. (marching band) I quit right after I learned that because: I would never be able to march, I think I'd mess up so badly during performances, and I knew I'd have to practice. I probably shouldn't have quit, but I did.

That was two years ago. I haven't touched a musical instrument since then.

orbajo · 11-30-2006, 07:03 PM

Well said. I'm not saying he's av virtuoso or anything either, maybe I am easily impressed then? Up till this particular song series, all of ther FFR songs are either insanely filled with arrows that fit into rhythm yes, but don't really show the actual melody of the song, or not filled enough to where the melody is the ONLY thing that's played.
This series fits the balance for me, it's got the parts where it's crazy, where it's laid back, but yet it never forgets whats being played, since the arrows are all pretty much directly copied to the piano playing. That's what I love about it.

**Shashakiro** · 11-30-2006, 07:06 PM

Only for piano/classical music can you really step every sound without your stepfile sucking horridly...and unfortunately, a lot of the files in the Classical genre suck horridly anyway (the old Arch and Hyro ones mostly).

But yeah, Rebirth did a great job with this one.

**Reach** · 11-30-2006, 07:49 PM

When I played part 3 there were magical invisible arrows all throughout the song.

It was great.

**Tasselfoot** · 11-30-2006, 07:53 PM

Reach: clear your cache.

Afrobean · 11-30-2006, 08:08 PM

Number 4 seems ok. A bit heavy on jumps for my taste, but I can how they all fit. I'm not entirely happy about the rhythm that the artist did for Bubble Bobble, but whatever. At least he got it closer to right by the end of it.

ps I'm sure this has been answered already, but what is the song immediately following the Bubble Bobble theme? It sounds really familiar but I can't place it.

**Rebirth0** · 11-30-2006, 08:11 PM

It's a song from Zombie Nation.

**windsurfer-sp** · 11-30-2006, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shashakiro

Only for piano/classical music can you really step every sound without your stepfile sucking horridly...and unfortunately, a lot of the files in the Classical genre suck horridly anyway (the old Arch and Hyro ones mostly).

But yeah, Rebirth did a great job with this one.

Piano music is great music to play FFR to cause you have a snese of melody and rythm and you feel like your playing it, if stepped properly.

Hows the full song list going on? Has Metal Gear Solid been in them yet?

**Rebirth0** · 11-30-2006, 08:29 PM

The full song list isn't finished yet, and I don't know if it will be finished anytime soon. I have it 90% done though, and I'll post that after part 5 is put up.

Innuendo18 · 11-30-2006, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebirth0

The full song list isn't finished yet, and I don't know if it will be finished anytime soon. I have it 90% done though, and I'll post that after part 5 is put up.

I'm really happy you stepped this, 5 new quality simfiles to the FFR song list at the same time.

Most people don't think about the fact that you take your own time for free to make these and only to make FFR an even better game than it already is. I personally thank you, it's people like you and all of the other simfile artists, admins, etc, that donate their time to make FFR even better.

Inn.

Also, Part 4 is, so far, the one I enjoyed the most.

Innuendo

**MonkeyFoo** · 11-30-2006, 10:28 PM

FYI Rebirth: It's not a song from Zombie Nation, it's theme 21 from the C64 game Lazy Jones. Zombie Nation used the theme in Kernkraft 400, then after it hit #2 in the UK dance charts, they payed the original artist, David Whittaker, a royalty.

Also, great stepfiles. Not a fan of jumps, so I can't enjoy number 4 too much, but whatever the rest are spectacular. Also, I can't see much reason not to have the split tracks in Arcade and a marathon version in Secret. I want a marathon version, but I think that it's important to also keep this great work accessible to everyone, and it's also good that having split versions would allow you to practice certain sections that you have more trouble on without playing through 12 minutes of song just to practice. There's my cents, do what you will with them.

11-30-2006, 06:02 PM	#241
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 part 5 actually is pretty boring, except for one hard section. __________________ RIP

11-30-2006, 06:12 PM	#243
Rebirth0 FFR Originalbro Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Age: 33 Posts: 8,751	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 I thought part 5 was really cool :<, I love how epic the ending is.

11-30-2006, 06:19 PM	#245
orbajo FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dade City, FL Age: 37 Posts: 5	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 Well see, I have been a musician since I was in 4th grade, now I am 19 years old. I got into college on a music scholarship as well. And therefore, I don't really think any music is "boring", in the classical genre anyway. Piano playing is always beautiful, and this song is no different. I listened to the rest of part 4 on the full song, and I stopped as to not spoil part 5, which I cannot wait to try. I will beat part 4 eventually, but not anytime soon, due to those frantic jump patterns. But I must say Rebirth, the step transcriptions for this song were amazingly well done, I have played the first 3 parts over and over, I love how you made the steps pretty much identical to the piano playing, it feels like I am the one playing this beautiful music. And that's a treat. The cadenzas in part 3, of course all the tempo changes, were handled extraordinarily well. I assume you are a musician too for being able to do this. Last edited by orbajo; 11-30-2006 at 06:33 PM..

11-30-2006, 06:40 PM	#247
orbajo FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dade City, FL Age: 37 Posts: 5	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 And I suppose playing the guitar doesn't qualify as a musician to you? It really doesn't matter to me what he plays, he clearly understands the basics and even advanced rhythm patterns, and the basic fundamentals of music for being able to transcribe this song into this game. EDIT: Yay I finally "passed" part 4. I have to admit I got lucky this particular time throught that jump section, but thankfully it wasn't like that for the whole song, it was pretty easy from there on. I think Part 4 doesn't have the same magic the first 3 have for me, but still a fun part to play along to. Now I just have to get it to where I can actually beat the song confidently and not get lucky..-_- Last edited by orbajo; 11-30-2006 at 06:53 PM..

11-30-2006, 06:59 PM	#249
dAnceguy117 new hand moves = dab Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: he/they Age: 33 Posts: 10,094	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 Understanding of rhythms comes from doing this for years. Though Rebirth is more skilled in using tempo changes than I am, I've gotten pretty darn good at recognizing rhythms, as has mostly anyone who has been making notecharts for some time now. In case you're unaware, there's a downloadable program fairly close to this game free to download at www.stepmania.com. Making notecharts with this program has been done for a few years, and there's even a board for it on these forums. In this sense, playing an instrument isn't really necessary to understand the composition of music. I'd say that most of the community here who makes notecharts for these games doesn't play an instrument. Over time, people have gotten more and more adept at translating music to these games. Rebirth himself was criticized for his notecharts being too shallow and having a lack of correspondence with the music until fairly recently. All of the parts of TGWP you see being put on this game is a very evident byproduct of the evolution that's been going on for a while.

11-30-2006, 07:01 PM	#250
Rebirth0 FFR Originalbro Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Age: 33 Posts: 8,751	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 I'm not really a musician anymore, if you even considered me one before now. I played the Alto Sax in all of middle school, but quit before high school. I never practiced, like I was supposed to. Never. I never practiced, but I was one of the best players in the entire school. I don't know why I was so good. When I started high school, I learned that all of the music we'd be playing would be memorized, and we'll be marching a lot of the time. (marching band) I quit right after I learned that because: I would never be able to march, I think I'd mess up so badly during performances, and I knew I'd have to practice. I probably shouldn't have quit, but I did. That was two years ago. I haven't touched a musical instrument since then.

11-30-2006, 07:03 PM	#251
orbajo FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dade City, FL Age: 37 Posts: 5	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 Well said. I'm not saying he's av virtuoso or anything either, maybe I am easily impressed then? Up till this particular song series, all of ther FFR songs are either insanely filled with arrows that fit into rhythm yes, but don't really show the actual melody of the song, or not filled enough to where the melody is the ONLY thing that's played. This series fits the balance for me, it's got the parts where it's crazy, where it's laid back, but yet it never forgets whats being played, since the arrows are all pretty much directly copied to the piano playing. That's what I love about it.

11-30-2006, 07:49 PM	#253
Reach FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 7,471	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 When I played part 3 there were magical invisible arrows all throughout the song. It was great. __________________

11-30-2006, 07:53 PM	#254
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 Reach: clear your cache. __________________ RIP

11-30-2006, 08:08 PM	#255
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 36 Posts: 13,262	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 Number 4 seems ok. A bit heavy on jumps for my taste, but I can how they all fit. I'm not entirely happy about the rhythm that the artist did for Bubble Bobble, but whatever. At least he got it closer to right by the end of it. ps I'm sure this has been answered already, but what is the song immediately following the Bubble Bobble theme? It sounds really familiar but I can't place it. __________________

11-30-2006, 08:11 PM	#256
Rebirth0 FFR Originalbro Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Age: 33 Posts: 8,751	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 It's a song from Zombie Nation.

11-30-2006, 08:29 PM	#258
Rebirth0 FFR Originalbro Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Age: 33 Posts: 8,751	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 The full song list isn't finished yet, and I don't know if it will be finished anytime soon. I have it 90% done though, and I'll post that after part 5 is put up.

11-30-2006, 10:28 PM	#260
MonkeyFoo FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northeasterly Age: 34 Posts: 397	Re: SotW: TGWP, Parts 1-4 FYI Rebirth: It's not a song from Zombie Nation, it's theme 21 from the C64 game Lazy Jones. Zombie Nation used the theme in Kernkraft 400, then after it hit #2 in the UK dance charts, they payed the original artist, David Whittaker, a royalty. Also, great stepfiles. Not a fan of jumps, so I can't enjoy number 4 too much, but whatever the rest are spectacular. Also, I can't see much reason not to have the split tracks in Arcade and a marathon version in Secret. I want a marathon version, but I think that it's important to also keep this great work accessible to everyone, and it's also good that having split versions would allow you to practice certain sections that you have more trouble on without playing through 12 minutes of song just to practice. There's my cents, do what you will with them. __________________ How has it been 15 years

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