TWG CIX: Lames' Hosting a TWG Ball

[Xiz]

do you have ANYTHING to contribute or are you just gonna afk bandwagon?

[James May]

Day 1 Votes (Part 10 of god knows how many) - Insta is at 8 votes

1. Xiv - 0
2. thesunfan - 2 (JurseyRider734, Manti)
3. Bynary Fission - 1 (Tps222)
4. Clasko1000 - 0
5. Funnygurl555 - 3 (clasko, Charu, underscore guy)
6. Tps222 - 4 (Bynary Fission, XelNya, Guest McNumbers, thesunfan)
7. HansSky - 3 (T-Force, Funnygurl555, HansSky)
8. Charu - 0
9. underscore guy - 0
10. JurseyRider734 - 0
11. Manti - 0
12. GuestMcNumbers - 0
13. XelNya - 1 (Xiv)
14. T-Force - 0

[James May]

Day 1 ends in 90 Minutes

[thesunfan]

unless something happens, I don't see a reason to change my vote.

[JurseyRider734]

Originally Posted by Xiz

xelnya

[Guest15937]

I've seen a lot of dissent over TPS's lynch. People are saying "he's so wolfy he has to be town," and multiple people have expressed this. I don't know if it's because I'm inexperienced with the FFRTWG meta, but isn't it possible he's wolfy...because he's a wolf? It's Day 1. We shouldn't be over-meta'ing ourselves, we should just lynch who we'd be the least surprised about being a wolf, and for now, that's TPS.

[Funnygurl555]

I think I've waited enough. Xiz or sunfan for me, and I see two votes on sunfan
sorry sunfan, really =(

[thesunfan]

ok, so I have three votes on me; before last night, I thought that everyone other than tps was reading me town, so idk what's really happened since, but its happened lol.

[Charu]

Looks like nothing crazy is happening.

Switching to tps222

[T-Force]

funnygurl
Your silence OoT while we were all chatting is slightly unnerving and suspicious. That, and you've said very little IT that is of -any- value.
Of your 7 posts, the first 4 were fluff/excuses.
Post 5: Voting for Hans because of OoT reasons.
Post 6: Decent post out of you. Defending TPS (although that reason just sucks), and then good idea to look into the train starters.
As for "are you freaking kidding me"

No. You're playing exceptionally stupid/clueless. Lurking, self-votes both in game and in the mini games in chat. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but you're not that dumb; I think you're playing off of the fact that we should know you're not that dumb and not take it seriously. It nearly worked for you last game, after all.

[JurseyRider734]

i'm going to explain why i'm keeping my vote on sunfan

i've been suspicious of everyone since the game first started. some were more than others, some less (like guest). just because i'm not voting for whoever you people are bandwagonning on doesn't mean i dont have my doubts about whoever youre voting for.

however, i had a gut feeling about sunfan immediately. super eager to talk to me, and everyone else. he was immediately sure i'm human... which no one ever should be. he's been attacking other people, but never once questioned me. he seems to have ties to people like xiz and charu, both of whom have acted questionably the entire time (xiz's contrived "meta" (if you can call it that) hostility, charu's weak reasonning for his votes, etc.). i want to see what people are going to do when sunfan is gone, because i feel like he is at the center of something. i think he has attempted, purposely, to act so human by trying so hard, that he hasn't been looked at at all.

there are others who i feel could possibly be wolves, but i view them either as possible assets (and therefore it would be a shame to lynch them), or i see them as not as much of a threat.

well, thanks for listening.

[___________]

change my vote to tps222

[Charu]

Sorry my votes are not super kawaii, I'll try to be better next time!

[Xiz]

Not voting for TPS today. I don't like this anymore at all. This really doesn't feel right.

[Tps222]

Looks like I'm going to have to switch to sunfan. Both in the interest of self-preservation, and because I don't think funnygurl is a wolf.

Sunfan, on the other hand, has consistently attempted to appear to be humanity's greatest advocate. Initiating and coordinating unloggable skype calls that apparently seem to really define the public opinion, attempting to take credit for the proposition of Han's jailbreak/doctor plan, playing the aggressor in a conversation with Xiz that lead him to vote him without reason (which he quickly changed back to me).

All of this is circumstantial, but it fits a certain profile that I can imagine a wolf would want to have going into the game.

Also, here's a chat log earlier of a much more aggressive and sure-footed sunfan

Originally Posted by sunfan

[2:00:54 PM] tps222: I'm just trying to let you know.
[2:01:00 PM] thesunfan: what the fuck is there to gain from doing this?
[2:01:32 PM] tps222: You stating that I'm going to get lynched today
[2:01:33 PM] thesunfan: I don't see why keeping an opinion silent, even on day one, has merit
[2:01:39 PM] tps222: and that my flip is more valuable than not.
[2:01:50 PM] thesunfan: I didn't say that you're going to get lynched today
[2:01:52 PM] thesunfan: I said you might
[2:02:06 PM] thesunfan: even when I was trying to appear imposing to xiz on purpose
[2:02:10 PM] thesunfan: I never said you were dying today
[2:02:21 PM] thesunfan: I said you might be headed to the noose, or something like that
[2:02:24 PM] tps222: so you put on an act for xiz?
[2:02:35 PM] thesunfan: YES, I EVEN TOLD HIM THAT DIRECTLY AFTERWORDS
[2:02:37 PM] thesunfan: ITS IN THE LOG
[2:03:03 PM] thesunfan: [1:17 PM] thesunfan:

<<< even under the pressure I applied, which you should've pointed out as suspicious as fuckright here
[2:03:23 PM] thesunfan: [2:03 PM] thesunfan:

<<< which you should've pointed out as suspicious as fuckparticularly this part
[2:04:02 PM] thesunfan: sorry for caps
[2:04:05 PM] thesunfan: you got under my skin

You got ruffled a bit too easily. It seems like you're getting flustered for trying to balance between being a wolf and appealing to humanity. At the very least, I'd like to see how Xiz and Charu behave when they aren't voting directly down your party line in a lackey fashion.

[Tps222]

Sorry Xiz, I meant to say blanky, not you.

[___________]

staying at tps222 to maintain voter balance.

[Charu]

Ah, there's the interesting part, but really, don't you think you guys should've mentioned this way earlier? Like seriosulyyyy

[HansSky]

Alright here's the deal. Right now we have two options vote-wise: tps or funnygurl.

TPS: I think this whole thing blew up for almost no reason. The whole skype call reasoning with him being dodgy and leaving early seems more green behavior than red to me. I really don't think he'd avoiding questions purposely as a wolf to try and improve his humanity. Dude is smarter than that. His actions have been way too careless for him pull that as a wolf. Plus, on top of that, coming in on the end of the day we had 6 potential votes for him. The four now plus Xiz and Charu contemplating switching. He has become an easy target today and an easy way for the wolves to slip into the bandwagon.

Funnygurl: Early impressions for me were greenish. Her argument against me seemed very contrived and was parroting what was stated before her. I think her activity is standard wolf behavior. She isn't flying under the radar but isn't contributing much either. She definitely gives me red vibes.

howeverrrrrrrrrrrrr

I'm picking choice c. Sunfan. Let me just state for the record that the jailkeeper coming out was my idea. He claims to some people that he co-authored the plan. This really isn't an ego thing for me but why would he do that if he wasn't trying to help take credit for a good idea to help the human team?(btw xelnya you should prob go back and read why it makes sense)

He also said some really strange things to me and flip flopped his stance multiple times(the PMing him about which role is more important seemed like fluff dialogue that doesn't seem relevant to this game).

[3/1/2014 12:01:12 AM] Chris-Hans: question is would you rather have an alliance that could potentially last a few days which results in both of the blues definitely getting killed with potential for a 3 person alliance
[3/1/2014 12:01:44 AM] Chris-Hans: or keep them in hiding and end up playing every man for themselves
[3/1/2014 12:02:21 AM] thesunfan: hidden
[3/1/2014 12:02:22 AM] thesunfan: def hidden
[3/1/2014 12:02:43 AM] Chris-Hans: idk
[3/1/2014 12:02:54 AM] Chris-Hans: any time you lower the potential wolf pool is a good thing
[3/1/2014 12:03:13 AM] thesunfan: I'll think about it more
[3/1/2014 12:03:18 AM] thesunfan: but I think hidden is better, maybe
[3/1/2014 12:03:23 AM] thesunfan: having the blues know each other is huge
[3/1/2014 12:03:41 AM] Chris-Hans: i dont think the roles are by themselves strong enough to run on their own
[3/1/2014 12:03:48 AM] Chris-Hans: like if they succeed in hitting someone
[3/1/2014 12:03:55 AM] Chris-Hans: the way the game is set up and they dont know each other
[3/1/2014 12:04:05 AM] Chris-Hans: you dont really learn anything
[3/1/2014 12:04:12 AM] thesunfan: exactly
[3/1/2014 12:04:36 AM] Chris-Hans: so i think if we can put them together for however long it may be
[3/1/2014 12:04:43 AM] Chris-Hans: their strength improves tenfold
[3/1/2014 12:04:50 AM] thesunfan: I agree

[3/1/2014 3:14:56 PM] thesunfan: well, we have to decide which role comes out
[3/1/2014 3:15:03 PM] thesunfan: I don't see how this would work with the jailer coming out
[3/1/2014 3:15:39 PM] thesunfan: unless we have the jailer come out publicly as the doc, and say that the jailer, who is really the doc, is working behind the scenes
[3/1/2014 3:15:49 PM] thesunfan: and get the alliance going from there
[3/1/2014 3:15:58 PM] thesunfan: which would be ballsy as fuck
[3/1/2014 3:29:18 PM] Chris-Hans: that would never work because then the real jailer would be like no ur not
[3/1/2014 3:29:44 PM] Chris-Hans: the jailer has to come out so he can still use his power while he gets guarded
[3/1/2014 3:30:04 PM] thesunfan: yeah, that's basically the only way I see this working
[3/1/2014 3:30:17 PM] thesunfan: mine still has the "its so crazy it could work" atmosphere
[3/1/2014 3:30:22 PM] thesunfan: but I'd rather not go down that avenue

Here is our whole log if you want it: http://pastebin.com/iuDqRvcs
In both of these excerpts he just seems to be trying to offer opinions but backs down both times really quickly. It just seems as if he's trying to offer a lot to seem human, but is afraid to put out bold opinions to attract attention or make anyone unhappy, which is why he constantly backs down. It's between sun and funnygurl for me but I feel a little stronger about sunfan today.

[thesunfan]

like, tps told me that a lot of you were suspicious of me, but were keeping it private, he wouldn't say who, but if you've been doing that...
then WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?

I don't get what anyone has to gain from keeping a suspicion hidden; and this rush-vote type business is mad fishy to me.