02-20-2013, 07:49 AM | #221 |
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02-20-2013, 11:14 AM | #224 |
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02-20-2013, 11:30 AM | #225 |
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this thread is dumb i quit stepmania
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yeah wc pretty much got this
I don't know why kommi is so buttmad but technicality is not an extreme. a file is not black and white, technical or not technical. it's how to effectively use things that we have established will HELP make a chart more fun, such as pitch relevance ps pitch relevance is not let's squeeze an entire song into a 4 key piano it's placing notes such that the melodic contour is acknowledged and the notes are not placed randomly expanding on this if anyone cares to read: this is the same thing for all mediums of art. there is no piece of art that is purely technical or purely expressive, because there will always be some degree of subjectivity in the interpretation and there must be some sort of technical ability that went into the making of the art. someone with an acute ear might hear a subtle dissonance in a piece of music that was not meant to be there, pointing it out for the artist. this is not a nitpick that will make the music "technical to the point where it's not enjoyable to listen to," it's an improvement made to an already enjoyable piece. if someone points out that a piece of art has a disproportionate body somewhere, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad piece of art or it's unappealing, and fixing it certainly won't make it any worse. most importantly, it makes the artist aware of where he needs to improve technically if he wants to better his craft. example: jimerax is known for his very "technical" style of charting, but he has made a lot of good stuff and he does stick to what he believes is fun to play, and no matter how you look at it he has drastically improved a lot of my charts thanks to a lot of edits that he was capable of that I wasn't also this: Quote:
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the days where people over-analyze or "abuse technicality" are long gone (haha longgone), at least in the sm community that I'm observing now kpce i made my point
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02-20-2013, 11:39 AM | #227 |
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also I did say I didn't want this to degenerate into drama and this is borderline touching it so let's plz not reach a point where my pee-pee goes back inside of me thx
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02-20-2013, 11:41 AM | #228 |
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it's okay guys
it's comforting to know that at the end of the day people are still gonna be playing Reach's Gigadelic and your file will be collecting dust in a folder somewhere ~funfactormanias~
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02-20-2013, 11:42 AM | #229 |
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02-20-2013, 11:49 AM | #230 |
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ROFL
also id like to say that wc is like one of my most favorite people in this community despite this old running joke where i hate on him LOL
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02-20-2013, 11:56 AM | #231 |
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Bufang do you actually think I give a shit about anything that's been said in here lmao
I seriously don't. I do what's fun for me which is the purpose of a game. I could Give less of a fuck about theories and technicality. Nobody will ever agree with anything anyways
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02-20-2013, 12:10 PM | #232 |
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Another point of discussion: is it necessarily a bad thing if a simfile artist possesses the capability of creating something that would be considered "masterful" in its purest form, but doesn't? I'm actually asking this as a person who knows they have an understanding of the construction, structure, and technical elements that make up a good file. When it comes to simfiling, I have trouble understanding what is "fun" because I like to see myself as a really high-level player that pushes boundaries, and my files tend to do the same thing. As a current example, I'm stepping Tendon by Igorrr:
In technicality, everything here is accounted for, and technically isn't overstepped, but it's quite obvious that the patterns are really rigid (and intended to be as such). When do we draw the line of being correct to the point of being "unfun", when "fun factor" is truly a subjective term? Some files considered "artful" feel right, but aren't always enjoyable to me -- for example (not a personal shot at you stargroup), I was never a huge fan of Castaway, which is a great file on a structural level. At the same time, something like dondon151's Break the Sword of Justice v2 Beginner file is something intended to have poor structure and be hard is a lot more enjoyable to me. It's so hard to find a great balance. Where's moches? He always seems to find the medium for me (Micro Media Broth, holyfok <3). |
02-20-2013, 12:23 PM | #233 |
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shrug suit yourself bro
there's no concrete answer to that question, because what you're asking is partially a matter of taste, and therefore style becomes a huge factor for example, people like mi40 and torrent love their dnb and stuff, and while they do make some really great stuff, they're not my cup of tea simply because I find dnb songs very tiring and grating to listen to, and the charting style associated with it is a bit rigid for my tastes in my opinion, what makes a chart "masterful" is its awareness to everything. it needs to not only demonstrate a good ear that is capable of picking up on both the details in the song as well as the "essence" of the song as a whole, but also the ability to somehow demonstrate this through the notes. this is why I think kil is the undisputed master of charting; he has one of the best ears in terms of interpretation of the music, and his execution in the chart itself is pretty much flawless. it is extremely difficult for someone to take one of his charts and say "I can do that better" and live up to their word but just as this is the case, not everyone has a taste for his style, and with good reason. some people don't appreciate his skills because they either don't understand and/or they don't care, and there's nothing wrong with that. I resonate strongly with the charting medium as an art form, so that's where I lean and it determines how all of this affects me. however, other players might see it as a competitive game, for example, and in this case importance is placed on difficulty, not artistry so there's really no easy way to answer this question. it's basically "you can't please everyone." it just depends on what your target audience is, and as long as you can please your target audience, you can consider yourself successful also, there's a difference between liking something and acknowledging quality. there are a lot of "subpar" charts out there that I love playing, just as there's a lot of "crappy" food out there that I love eating. I know it's not good, but it doesn't mean I don't enjoy it. similarly, there's a lot of quality music/charts/food out there that I don't enjoy, even though I understand why they are good. quality is something that is supposed to be more universal, based on that set of rules we have defined for art, but personal taste is just whatever you like
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02-20-2013, 12:40 PM | #234 |
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What the fuck is this thread
You guys
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02-20-2013, 12:46 PM | #235 |
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lesgo make osu maps rogman
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02-20-2013, 12:57 PM | #236 |
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gonna have to go with the good old autism on this one
ps: no one cares, fun is subjective, technicality is subjective in the long run, just step how you wish and that's it. is everyone gonna like it? fuck no. mass appeal sucks anyways. lol at everyone who thinks that this is, and the discussion at hand is serious. Last edited by Coolboyrulez0; 02-20-2013 at 01:04 PM.. |
02-20-2013, 01:07 PM | #237 |
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so since when does a long discussion of technicality = drama? I'm just curious who made that a rule.
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02-20-2013, 01:14 PM | #238 |
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It isn't -- it's just fun to see people all riled up about the subject of technicality vs. fun
which arises ever-so-often and always ends up inconclusive due to peoples pre-convinced notions about simfiling. Last edited by Coolboyrulez0; 02-20-2013 at 01:20 PM.. |
02-20-2013, 01:14 PM | #239 |
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pr technicality and etc came around when stepping used to be a group of elitists (which also had packs that really no one could submit to unless you're one of them) and if you made a file and made a single file thread about it it was generally all about how bad it was or that you suck at file making. plus the ONLY information you could get about how they made their ~good files~ was if you went into the editor and figured it out yourself on their files from other packs (odi, odi2, ppp, ppp2, etc)
there wasn't actual criticism or any information telling you why it was bad. i know all of this because i was getting into stepping a few months before odi2 came out and i remember i hated releasing any files b/c i never got real criticism about them |
02-20-2013, 01:34 PM | #240 |
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cute.
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