TWG CLXI - Egregious Miscalculations GAME THREAD

[MixMasterLar]

Hey DanceFlashRevo

More interactions less silence please

You literally asked for this

[Hakulyte]

Is there a difference between a triggered town AA and a triggered wolf AA?

Basically, he went ham on D0 EoD and started leading what looks like a parade of mislynches now.

I do have a pile of quotes I can point out to and I do understand that D0 happened the way it did because we don't know the information that we know now.

The point is that he's been really trying to create an agenda and force the game in a particular way.

He took the time to write up everyone's reads and most of them have been MML/Storn/T-Force which simply shouldn't be even close of the reality of this game.

He somehow got fairly heavily sheeped and I think this fits with what you were talking about with "rushing the game" back in your Choof / MML interactions.

I believe if there's a deep wolf in this game, it has to be him. The trend continues subtlely and he's like discarding objective thinking with false promises.

e.g: T-Force mentions that R.E. Aryxi would have been a much better lynch than him and AA basically discard R.E. Aryxi later on. (well, this is laughable now because of Aryxi's flip, but still.)

What I'm saying here is that I feel like he's been trying to move the game in a certain direction the entire time up to this point.

[MixMasterLar]

Ok,

Well if you could share the quotes for the class, assuming that the implication that you know exactly where they are due to having gone back and read them recently is accurate, that'll be most helpful.

Not trying to be a dick to someone who's agreeing with me on AA finally but yeah

[MixMasterLar]

I am about to start being a dick to somebody here in a sec if they don't get active after posting something like this:

Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

MML interact with me

[danceflashrevo]

Anything about shadowolfe or are your suspicions just on AA's part.

@MML sorry got sidetracked getting a ps2 emulator setup

[danceflashrevo]

Where are you at right now? @MML

[Hakulyte]

Sorry MML, I'll find the rain of quotes after the explanations. I feel like it's easier to read that way.

AA also pushed me after I tried to do a push D0 against danceguy out of toneread which ended up being a failure from lacking content.

AA's main argument had to do with semantics about word usage from his point of view only to back off over himself not reading properly what I've written in the first place.

That just made me go wtf

I've never seen AA push me for this ever before and then he went back on being assertive and requesting help to pressure others and continue the "agenda meta" if I were to name that something.

I think this is literally AA trying to signal me that he's a wolf believing I could be wolf myself.

The grand majority of the rest of his game is a proofread party that's borderline unattackable.

The moment I started questioning him about the pacing of the game and basic ideas like game mechanics he looked like he got angry and I think it has to do with the idea that I pushed him outside of his comfort zone.

He also tried to do a Seer cover which was a really strange action by itself. It's like I was watching him slowly doing all the potential hat tricks as if he wanted to be so town that calling him out would be insulting.

Basically, I really disliked his game "behind the scene" in terms of tone all along.

I guess I should start finding quotes now.

[danceflashrevo]

About the d0 push against danceguy. Do you think AA would've known he was a wolf or simply thought he was town?

[ShadoWolfe]

Won't get home til later tonight, might be able to phonepost here a bit over the next hour.

Dadcop still reading scummy. Also interesting to note is Haku's interest in me following a phase where I was the only pushing him. I'd love a fresh interaction with you though, Haku, so please give me what you got.

MML looking town but I know he plays a good wolf game and one thing that bothers me is that he's used NK speculation for the basis of two pushes now. Like I said last phase, basing a push on NK speculation is a wolf tendency because wolves are the only ones who control kills and can choose them for any reason. Because they can therefore plan to frame or implicate anyone, reading into NKs is, at best, wifom for town and can benefit wolves immensely. MML looks towny aside from that, though, so I hesitate to read him scum for it. I'll have to take a closer look tonight.
DFR reading towny, and if this is a result of his effort to improve then he's doing a good job of it. Posts feel natural and pro-town.

Regardless of intention, Haku quite clearly outted storn as IC yesterday. I tried covering for him by saying "ignore Haku if youre VT" so he could go back to hiding, and by wifoming an IC soft in my last post last phase (if I'm still alive tomorrow then..), but clearly both were ineffective :\

Whelp, more when I get home and reread. Haku please leave those questions for me

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

About the d0 push against danceguy. Do you think AA would've known he was a wolf or simply thought he was town?

I think he sort of did. Here's why;

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I tend to believe towns are more "apathetic" than wolves in general because they're the one side stuck actually solving something.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

Logic is backwards

Town has motivation to solve
Wolves don't so more apathetic

danceguy has been pretty much the most positive player in this entire game and seeing AA go like "towns has motivation to solve" made me go "really?"

It feels like he wanted to discard me continuing to push danceguy.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You just played against a hyped Sunfan and lol I'm having a blast Neee last game.

Did you forget already?

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

So? Just because there were a pair of active wolves doesn't change the general trend

He's right btw, but I do think that gives us an idea over his mindset.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

Anything about shadowolfe or are your suspicions just on AA's part.

@MML sorry got sidetracked getting a ps2 emulator setup

I'm not a big fan of Shado. The aforementioned and weakly defended "If you're town then give out your thoughts/I'll give out my thoughts after town" thing rubs me the wrong way, and then he like claimed he was being the most helpful to town by doing that?

That's alot of assumptions to make on his end.

So I guess the answer is much more AA, but a dash of Shado.

Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

Where are you at right now? @MML

At work.

Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

About the d0 push against danceguy. Do you think AA would've known he was a wolf or simply thought he was town?

I couldn't help but remember that dAnce defended AA and tried pushing on me, just to fall back when he couldn't really answer my replies, just to still read AA town.

But that's a bad reason to suspect AA's slot because fucking all you jerks where reading AA town.

[MixMasterLar]

I like to think all my pushes have merit, Shado.

Especially since I've stated before that the AA scumread was more based on his reaction and tone, not him surviving. Just gotta ask a question that he'll either ignore or get riled up over.

....and I already used Post Theory.

The fact that he also is responsible for mislynching everyone and the moment he isn't in the game we get a wolf just makes the candy a little sweeter tbh

[danceflashrevo]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

At work.

i meant like in this game, who you suspect, but by the sound of it it's shado/dadcop?

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

hot read:

MML's lack of usual wanting to move the game forward means he's scum

If only TWG was this easy.

[danceflashrevo]

if i wasn't screaming murder for storn would you have outted him haku?

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I see haku making what looks like good posts which I would normally scumread him for, but I don't want to make that how I read him so I'll wait until I'm actually awake to figure out stuff

That's before the awkward push where he backed off from me.

Just in case you wanted an example of softing.

[danceflashrevo]

I believe that stems off of the whole "oh haku's efforting auto wolf" thing. That's how I read it at least.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

i meant like in this game, who you suspect, but by the sound of it it's shado/dadcop?

I can differently see it being Shado/dadcop2

Actually I think dadcop might be the safest lynch if we had to vote right now.

But I think after the next 5 hours that may change. I want to chat with you a little more, and I want to see Haku's whole case against AA. I think Haku's initial post about having quotes and questions for Shado seem more for attention rather then dropping that hot, nasty knowledge all over the place. If it wasn't Haku, I'd swear it was a wolf targeting the one town that he could get the famously-agressive MixMasterLar to vote without much debate and set up the mislynch.


Like no seriously where the fuck was the anti-AA support when the original interaction was going on? or when I and Shado where interacting?

Haku's not only going to have to convince me he has a point, but that he believes it as well.






.............double points if Haku is a wolf who really is pulling that stint off but doesn't realize Shado is still a wolf. That'll be magical.

fuck this setup

[danceflashrevo]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I can differently see it being Shado/dadcop2

Actually I think dadcop might be the safest lynch if we had to vote right now.

But I think after the next 5 hours that may change. I want to chat with you a little more, and I want to see Haku's whole case against AA.

I agree with all of this.

Like no seriously where the fuck was the anti-AA support when the original interaction was going on? or when I and Shado where interacting?

It started d1 I believe

[MixMasterLar]

DFR how are your reads right now?