Ingame Song Information - Page 113

Niala · 05-25-2009, 05:57 PM

Sorry, Llama, gonna have to disagree with you there. Ievan's jacks are nowhere near as hard as those in Club or AIM. Club's jacks are hard because they're long, and repeat different jumps each time. AIM is hard only because of a couple of jacks at the end where it makes you switch back and forth between 1-handed and 2-handed jacks. The hardest jack in Ievan is like 1 arrow repeated 4 times at a relatively low BPM. I'm almost tempted to call it a challenging, but it's not quite that easy, just a low VC. Methinks that should get fixed.

On a side note, however, really good chart, and good song. Well done JX. =)

**Hairy Cabbage** · 05-25-2009, 06:08 PM

would i get the oni token if i AAA this new song? my best score so far is 2-0-0-1, i struggle on the doubles when the change from side to side, but i think i may be able to AAA.

back on topic, i do think this song is low fmo, it is quite fast, and the jacks arent exactly easy.

stavie33 · 05-25-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by demonllama6124

If Polka should be a VC, then so should Club and AIM anthem. polka is borberline to me. the jacks are hard of ppl who arent used to them and thats what makes club and AIM FMOs.

HELL NO

took 5 try's, while for AIM and Club I still can't even get below 20 goods, you must be a great wrist jacker or just high, the song is most definitely VC

I'd give it a 73, MAYBE 74, anywho, Through the Stream of Time is much harder, took me much longer to AAA, I think that's a 74, but it could be lower, idk, it's rather difficult for me, it's just unorthodox IMO

EDIT:

Just looked, the songs been out less than an hour and has 11 AAA's, this is NOT FMO by any stretch of that difficulties range, and look at this, Through the Stream of Time (which isn't that hard) has been out much longer (2 days now?) and only has one more AAA (not including mine I just got), so yeah, this should NOT be FMO, but if it is, another free FMO AAA for me, but it better not be an Oni get

**bmah** · 05-25-2009, 08:08 PM

IMO Ievan Polkka is a Challenging. I can't play straight now however cause this computer lags...

**demonllama6124** · 05-25-2009, 08:29 PM

Ok, i havent played aim nor club in a while so i can kinda retract my opinion. i guess its just harder due to my playing style

who_cares973 · 05-25-2009, 08:35 PM

you guys need to stop judging files based on how well you can do. Ievan Polkka is an fmo. most people that play ffr dont play sm and arent used to jacks which makes this file difficult hell it took me an assload of tries just to fc it because im not used to them in ffr

but im going to go ahead and be like you guys and say GOSW,Dead and direct novo mundo k8107 should all be lowered because i can do well on those

**Hairy Cabbage** · 05-25-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by who_cares973

but im going to go ahead and be like you guys and say GOSW,Dead and direct novo mundo k8107 should all be lowered because i can do well on those

lol, dead an direct had 5 AAA,s i dont think that needs lowering

nor do any of the others for that matter, but i do afree with what you said about people judging songs on how well they can do.

**retching oesophagus** · 05-25-2009, 09:02 PM

wtf are you on about who cares. pollka is definitely VC at most. im useless at jacks too and i fc'd this easily on a laggy laptop. just because it has jacks shouldn't instantly make it an FMO. imo it's around the level of Starlight and only the jump jacks in the middle of the file are any hard. plus it's getting way too many aaa's already.

oh yeh... and pretty cool file as well, ha.

**EAGAMES** · 05-25-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by who_cares973

you guys need to stop judging files based on how well you can do. Ievan Polkka is an fmo. most people that play ffr dont play sm and arent used to jacks which makes this file difficult hell it took me an assload of tries just to fc it because im not used to them in ffr

but im going to go ahead and be like you guys and say GOSW,Dead and direct novo mundo k8107 should all be lowered because i can do well on those

They should be lowered to VCs, except Dead and Direct.

stavie33 · 05-25-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by retching oesophagus

it's around the level of Starlight

I actually played starlight yesterday, it's harder than Levan Polka, no joke, but they're both really easy IMO

also, @whocares, as much as I respect you, you realize out of all the files you mentioned, Levan Polka is still the easiest by far? And why the hell Dead and Direct there? That's a mid FMO, 79-80, it's hard, JX wants it to be 80, so yeah

And, does anyone agree that La Campanella should be a 90? Those trills are evil, and whocares, I think it's the greatest classical file we have in the game, you're stepping was perfect, I think it's the best file in the game (stepchart wise) because it is the best conversion you could get from the direct piano sheet music to an FFR chart

**awein999** · 05-25-2009, 09:36 PM

Ievan Polkka, mid VC at hardest. Compare that to VC's that have been released recently, it's significantly easier than run through the stream of time and bus rides with people. It's a fairly short song too.

who_cares973 · 05-26-2009, 03:58 AM

i c wut u gaiz r duin

[TeRa] · 05-26-2009, 04:01 AM

starlight isn't harder than polka lol. polka is vc though
nwe, silence, black key, summertime perf should be vcs also, probably jeanie also, i could see that as the lowest FMO though

mhss1992 · 05-26-2009, 10:06 AM

Ievan Polkka has got to be the easiest FMO in existence. It can't even be compared to NWE. 73 or 74 at most.
I know I can AAA it, I just couldn't play it seriously because my mother was at home and she hates the noise.

**qqwref** · 05-26-2009, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by who_cares973

you guys need to stop judging files based on how well you can do. Ievan Polkka is an fmo. most people that play ffr dont play sm and arent used to jacks which makes this file difficult hell it took me an assload of tries just to fc it because im not used to them in ffr

My procedure for judging file difficulties at this point is basically
- Take how hard I think it is
- Subtract anywhere from 0 to 3 difficulty levels depending on how many jacks there are
Hence Club and AIM ought to be 10s because I think they're 13s but they get a -3 modifier.

stavie33 · 05-26-2009, 02:19 PM

@[Tera], I agree with all of those except that Summertime should definitely remain FMO, just an easy one. And yeah, Jeanie should be VC, easiest FMO other than Polka, but seriously, why did anyone think Polka was FMO? Even with the 3-framers, Turkish March is harder (I was kidding about starlight)

**Coolboyrulez0** · 05-26-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by [TeRa]

nwe, silence, black key, summertime perf should be vcs also, probably jeanie also, i could see that as the lowest FMO though

Yes, yes, yes, maybe (the definition of borderline between VC/FMO imo) and yes.

And Ievan is most definitely a VC.

**IgroMAN** · 05-26-2009, 03:26 PM

I agree that Polka is VC, but let me AAA it first and then do anything you want. Also I got 1-0-0-2 and it tells that song isnt too easy.

**Utukku** · 05-26-2009, 06:01 PM

Turkish march is at least 2 points harder than Ievan Polkka imo.

Also, for the FMOs being VCs story, I cant understand how you can put STP easier than both LWs, Choprite or Southern Cross.

I agree that Silence and Jeanie are more VCs than FMOs, and I suck at NWE but with all those AAAs it could be a VC too.

mhss1992 · 05-27-2009, 09:26 AM

Just a comment about the "Those FMOs are supposed to be VCs" thing.
Borderline songs are supposed to exist. If all the 76 become VCs, after that, people will start saying that Lawn Wake IV should be VC too, because the borderline song difficulty will also increase. I don't think that makes much sense.

05-25-2009, 05:57 PM	#2241
Niala (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fredericton Age: 33 Posts: 1,696	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Sorry, Llama, gonna have to disagree with you there. Ievan's jacks are nowhere near as hard as those in Club or AIM. Club's jacks are hard because they're long, and repeat different jumps each time. AIM is hard only because of a couple of jacks at the end where it makes you switch back and forth between 1-handed and 2-handed jacks. The hardest jack in Ievan is like 1 arrow repeated 4 times at a relatively low BPM. I'm almost tempted to call it a challenging, but it's not quite that easy, just a low VC. Methinks that should get fixed. On a side note, however, really good chart, and good song. Well done JX. =)

05-25-2009, 06:08 PM	#2242
Hairy Cabbage FFR Veteran Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Newcastle, UK Age: 33 Posts: 164	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 would i get the oni token if i AAA this new song? my best score so far is 2-0-0-1, i struggle on the doubles when the change from side to side, but i think i may be able to AAA. back on topic, i do think this song is low fmo, it is quite fast, and the jacks arent exactly easy.

05-25-2009, 08:08 PM	#2244
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 36 Posts: 8,448	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 IMO Ievan Polkka is a Challenging. I can't play straight now however cause this computer lags...

05-25-2009, 08:35 PM	#2246
who_cares973 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: :U Age: 35 Posts: 15,407	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 you guys need to stop judging files based on how well you can do. Ievan Polkka is an fmo. most people that play ffr dont play sm and arent used to jacks which makes this file difficult hell it took me an assload of tries just to fc it because im not used to them in ffr but im going to go ahead and be like you guys and say GOSW,Dead and direct novo mundo k8107 should all be lowered because i can do well on those __________________

05-25-2009, 09:02 PM	#2248
retching oesophagus (^._.^) =^-ω-^= (^･o･^)ﾉ Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 805	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 wtf are you on about who cares. pollka is definitely VC at most. im useless at jacks too and i fc'd this easily on a laggy laptop. just because it has jacks shouldn't instantly make it an FMO. imo it's around the level of Starlight and only the jump jacks in the middle of the file are any hard. plus it's getting way too many aaa's already. oh yeh... and pretty cool file as well, ha. Last edited by retching oesophagus; 05-25-2009 at 09:10 PM..

05-26-2009, 03:58 AM	#2252
who_cares973 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: :U Age: 35 Posts: 15,407	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 i c wut u gaiz r duin __________________

05-26-2009, 04:01 AM	#2253
[TeRa] FFR Player Join Date: May 2007 Age: 33 Posts: 9,922	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 starlight isn't harder than polka lol. polka is vc though nwe, silence, black key, summertime perf should be vcs also, probably jeanie also, i could see that as the lowest FMO though Last edited by [TeRa]; 05-26-2009 at 04:15 AM..

05-26-2009, 10:06 AM	#2254
mhss1992 FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Ievan Polkka has got to be the easiest FMO in existence. It can't even be compared to NWE. 73 or 74 at most. I know I can AAA it, I just couldn't play it seriously because my mother was at home and she hates the noise. __________________ jnbidevniuhyb scores: Nomina Nuda Tenemus 1-0-0-0, Anti-Ares 1-0-0-0 Best AAA: Frictional Nevada (Done while FFR was out, so it doesn't show in my level stats) Resting. I might restart playing FFR seriously someday. Last edited by mhss1992; 05-26-2009 at 10:22 AM..

05-26-2009, 02:19 PM	#2256
stavie33 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,925	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 @[Tera], I agree with all of those except that Summertime should definitely remain FMO, just an easy one. And yeah, Jeanie should be VC, easiest FMO other than Polka, but seriously, why did anyone think Polka was FMO? Even with the 3-framers, Turkish March is harder (I was kidding about starlight) __________________ It's getting better all the time I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain) The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain) You're holding me down (Oh Oh) Turning me round (Oh Oh) Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

05-26-2009, 03:26 PM	#2258
IgroMAN FFR/EVE Online Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Belgorod, Russia Age: 36 Posts: 152	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 I agree that Polka is VC, but let me AAA it first and then do anything you want. Also I got 1-0-0-2 and it tells that song isnt too easy. __________________ 4th place in expert division - MrMagic5239's Summer Tournament

05-26-2009, 06:01 PM	#2259
Utukku FFR Veteran Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 137	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Turkish march is at least 2 points harder than Ievan Polkka imo. Also, for the FMOs being VCs story, I cant understand how you can put STP easier than both LWs, Choprite or Southern Cross. I agree that Silence and Jeanie are more VCs than FMOs, and I suck at NWE but with all those AAAs it could be a VC too.

05-27-2009, 09:26 AM	#2260
mhss1992 FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Just a comment about the "Those FMOs are supposed to be VCs" thing. Borderline songs are supposed to exist. If all the 76 become VCs, after that, people will start saying that Lawn Wake IV should be VC too, because the borderline song difficulty will also increase. I don't think that makes much sense. __________________ jnbidevniuhyb scores: Nomina Nuda Tenemus 1-0-0-0, Anti-Ares 1-0-0-0 Best AAA: Frictional Nevada (Done while FFR was out, so it doesn't show in my level stats) Resting. I might restart playing FFR seriously someday.

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