Twg XXXIX: Caps Filter'd

[talisman]

if you think we're wolves together, then seer me tonight. we can't both come back human.

personally, I think you're being ROYALLY RETARDED by voting for someone who is in all likelihood the real (stupid) psychic.

[vashthestampede0987]

Because, y'know, when you seer people and they come back as human it totally means they're the psychic.

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

Originally Posted by talisman

if you think we're wolves together, then seer me tonight. we can't both come back human.

personally, I think you're being ROYALLY RETARDED by voting for someone who is in all likelihood the real (stupid) psychic.

He has a point. If you check him too and they both come back human, it doesn't really clear him, but it does clear ffr. (Well, by what is at all plausible it does)

[talisman]

the point remains. You're basing your vote for the likely psychic on a theory that has both of us as wolves which is EASILY disproven.

Either he's the master wolf, acting on his own, coming out to me as the psychic for no apparent reason. Then going to the thread. All without consulting his wolf colleagues, who would surely tell him not to be that retarded. and also tell him to go to you first, not me, if they wanted him in the alliance.

Or he's the psychic. and just dumb.

edit: directed at vash.

[StoicRoivaS]

Caught up on reading finally. I'm gonna apologize again for not being as active as normal, between finals and RO, I honestly haven't done anything else. I think FFR was in my only jTWG and I don't recall him being the total brain dead type. Talisman makes me wonder more and more so for now I'm going to tentatively buy into the talisman/ffr thing until vash proves everyone wrong. The question is which to vote for? Assuming we're wrong, voting ffr leaves us sans psychic but still talisman as a fairly proficient human, but voting my higher suspicion talisman gives less pull vote-wise. If my count is right so far it looks like:

Talis(1) - nija
Observer (1) - ld
LD (1) - fojar
FFR (2) - dbp, vash

actually, now that I think about it, I'm ok with that. We'll see who jumps in and swings the tie. For now, Talisman, again, until Vash brings us more info.

[talisman]

him seering me doesn't work if I'm dead, as ffr could clearly be killed tonight. Nor would you know if you could trust him if he isn't killed, as he could theoretically still be the master and I a regular in that situation.

[nijatwo]

I am now 100% certain that fojar is a wolf.

1) just enough inactivity that he's ambiguous,
2) protecting talisman,
3) calling me out as a definate when I'm the only one accusing him

4)taking my pretty harmless post and antagonizing it

My big conspiracy theory is that FFR and Fojar are both wolves. Talisman is a maybe (but likely). Fojar keeps poking for psychic report, when one doesn't appear they assume psychic dead, FFR comes out (risky). I figured if fojar started pushing "guard psychic", or anyone else for that matter, but specifically him, then they're going to make a play on the seer during this next night phase.

15 minutes ish later I get this:

[21:13] Ryan (Fojar): ps. if you're the guardian, guard FFR and not vash
[21:13] Ryan (Fojar): vash is completely worthless

The thing that gets me though, is that it's so risky that it doesn't really make sense. Thats where talis fits in. He's got experiance and normally wouldn't play this way at all. So, he's trying something new in the back while being the same from the front. Trying to use his status as 'good twg player' to distance himself from something so crazy. The best part is, he's the wolf that thought of it.

vote still subject to change.

[nijatwo]

would be better to kill ffr today and seer talis tonight right? because if we kill talis we won't be able to seer him and know for certain. =\

[talisman]

NOOOOOO.

dear god how stupid are all of you. YOU DO NOT KILL THE POTENTIAL PSYCHIC.

that is the whole point of seering me... it would pretty much clear him.

[nijatwo]

damn, point taken.

[talisman]

also, you ought to take your vote off me for the same reasons I just gave stoic.

[nijatwo]

I've still got an hour.

[talisman]

don't put it down to the wire. I will not lynch the psychic to save myself.

In other news, we're going to have a phantomfest here.

I was looking back over the last two days of voting before all of this came up... I was looking at kilga in particular since he was in early against both shash and hans. However, there's some conflicting evidence there since he did call hans out early, and came to me with some ideas early day one (the green vs human thing) which strikes me as an unkilgaasawolf thing to do.

Observer I now lean human on based on his comments yesterday on hans. Jurs I'm on the bubble on. Eric I can't tell. Stoic bothers me for what he just did. ld is ld. I'm concerned that dbp is all over these 1% theories, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

I think it'd be best to let this live until tomorrow, after a seering can make it for sure.

I'm going to change my vote to my next biggest suspicion after this cluster****, Kilga because he's laid too low the entire game, and is pretty much playing like he normally does when he's either red or blue (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong) but he can't be blue because if he was he would have contested ffr/vash.

[StoicRoivaS]

Well, the idea of baiting doesn't exactly work last minute when no one is gonna do much more. I guess it's phantom fest for us, lame. I'm still not comfortable with talisman but we can't afford to take the chance on ffr and assuming vash is keeping up, we can confirm them both with 1 seering, good deal imo. So I have to go with LD since I don't think we can afford to lose talis as a good human asset or ffr as psychic. Kilga might help us if he's human (if he decides to do anything) but I don't see LD doing much and I don't have a hold on his style at all yet. I hope someone knows what's going on cause I'm kinda lost.

[vashthestampede0987]

nija he knows why. that's all that needs to be said. change in plans. ffr=clear for now.

[jwcgator]

jwcgator for saftey 8)

[xObserveRx]

What's with our day's ending in crazyness this game? Lightdarkness for the reasons I've posted earlier. Someone is lying about their role between Fojar, FFR, and Talis and at this point, I'm not exactly sure who. It seems at this point everyone's waiting on tonight's seeing for proof.

Hopefully we get this sorted out tomorrow.

[Kilgamayan]

nijatwo

- FoJaR looks a hell of a lot more convincing in that little spat.
- I'd rather have talisman alive for the night.

This whole FFR4EVA situation would be a lot easier to handle if the psychic went to Vash on Day 1 like they were supposed to. I sure hope they did.

[talisman]

stoic

safety mainly.