TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

like you have to assume VTs

but assuming vanilla wolves? seems like a stretch

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

like you have to assume VTs

but assuming vanilla wolves? seems like a stretch

It was a stretch for sure, and he kind of skewed his numbers in his favor with it, but I think his point was that it's easy to throw numbers around.

Can you answer my questions about SHC please?

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

Thanks for making me look up a word, but it turns out that it's a moot point. We've received three pieces of concrete info this game:
-inD is red
-You claimed seer while peeking lito VT
-Lito claimed seer

A red cardflip doesn't teach us anything. It doesn't increase the probability of vigi or the probability that a wolf even exists in this game. All it tells us is that a vigi or a wolf could be in this game. That's it.

well it doesn't teach us any facts. it does tell us something though, and then we have to surmise what it means. i didn't say i knew the flip was a vigi, i said the balance of probability suggested, and i gave the reason why: coordinated effort is more likely to be successful than isolated effort. that was the entire logic, it was very simple.

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

I'm not seeing more complexity and intent than the situation merits. I've looked at it from the simplest of reasonings, "V just faked his peek in an easily misconstrued fashion out of laziness", to the level of complexity bordering on tinfoiling. In terms of incentive, factoring in human willingness to reduce the required amount of effort as a wolf doesn't help or detract from your defense in the slightest. Yes, you've had to do more work defending yourself now, but you would've had the cushiest, least-efforty game ever if your gamble had paid off.

Enough of that, though. I'm beginning to repeat myself. You brought up a point I wanted to get back to:

You keep saying your actions have their own acronym, but the only acronym you've brought up is SHC. In a game like this, how would RSing SHC anyone, and who were you trying to seerhunt clear by fakeclaiming/roleswapping seer?

seer hunt clear simply means i throw out a fake and if i get bussed or vigi'd unexpectedly and flip green the person i peeked is cleared because it was obvious the wolves killed me. so litodude would have been cleared had i been targeted early for any reason. it didn't have any additional layers of intention beyond picking someone as a contingency if i died by what someone could reasonably called malicious intent before they knew who the seer was

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

as soon as the wolves know who the seer is -- i.e. being counterclaimed because lito perceived i was trying to take control of the game, the whole thing is meaningless

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

but in that position where wolves don't know who the seer is and might try to kill them because they provide the strongest value to the human team, pretending to be seer with a n0 peek during d1 which is a typically weak phase for humans is a tried-and-true strategy. i guess it depends on people not taking the peek seriously, which i didn't anticipate people doing since we've transitioned from playing less like our old ways and more like 2+2 after being invited to their yearly invitational for a few years now

[MixMasterLar]

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This fucking thread, guys.

V can you link games where you claimed in this matter since you said you "always" word it like that?

[ShadoWolfe]

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seer hunt clear simply means i throw out a fake and if i get bussed or vigi'd unexpectedly and flip green the person i peeked is cleared because it was obvious the wolves killed me. so litodude would have been cleared had i been targeted early for any reason. it didn't have any additional layers of intention beyond picking someone as a contingency if i died by what someone could reasonably called malicious intent before they knew who the seer was

I'm aware of what it means. The part I don't get-..Holy shit did you just dumbtell hardcore?

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

Vendetta21 talking about possible ways he could die :

seer hunt clear simply means i throw out a fake and if i get bussed or vigi'd unexpectedly and flip green the person i peeked is cleared because it was obvious the wolves killed me.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

Hey V are you tired? Because that slip is like the second coming of Christmas

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

Hey V where'd you go?

[Vendetta21]

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This fucking thread, guys.

V can you link games where you claimed in this matter since you said you "always" word it like that?

well we don't do many games here where we n0 seer but here's one i could find http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=138530

[Vendetta21]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

Hey V where'd you go?

been searching my username in TWG to find old games took a bit

[Vendetta21]

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Vendetta21 talking about possible ways he could die :

yeah wolves cant night kill me directly so they can bus me or try to doublecross wolf me

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

yeah wolves cant night kill me directly so they can bus me or try to doublecross wolf me

Uhhh no. Not buying it. You said vigi, and there's no "bussing" role that could "bus" town here.

Idk if there's much you can say here tbh.. I'd have to be crazy to ignore that. Like, shit. If I'm wrong then you can't even be mad lol wtf was that.