11-29-2020, 12:34 AM | #2001 | |
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11-29-2020, 12:38 AM | #2002 | |
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Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
Haku votes sunfan for "making a funny image in wolfchat."
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11-29-2020, 12:38 AM | #2003 |
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Something I noted in the Plop post....
He somehow knows how to solve the unsolvable Haku... and has Sunfan as town and both of them have Freezin' as their top wolf... |
11-29-2020, 12:40 AM | #2004 | |
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11-29-2020, 12:44 AM | #2005 |
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This is a minor conflict with my headspace, but I think it follows from his POV that Freezin and YoshL are "bigger fish to fry" in terms of a first wolf lynch. I would be interested to hear what sunfan thinks about Plop -period-, regardless of his lynch order given earlier
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11-29-2020, 12:45 AM | #2006 |
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11-29-2020, 12:46 AM | #2007 |
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based exclamation mark scumread
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11-29-2020, 12:47 AM | #2008 |
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he's right
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11-29-2020, 12:48 AM | #2009 |
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This is where I am, I think
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11-29-2020, 12:50 AM | #2010 | |
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The more likely scenario is that Plop is wolf and both T-Force/FG are town, which makes that wagon pretty pure. |
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11-29-2020, 12:54 AM | #2011 | |
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11-29-2020, 12:56 AM | #2012 |
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Re: TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]
Like. Haku's last major read is that Plop is a wolf.
Is there more that I'm missing or isn't this like, really easy today? |
11-29-2020, 12:58 AM | #2013 | |
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Every conclusion that I come to sounds so incredibly simple it's almost stupid to even believe |
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11-29-2020, 01:01 AM | #2014 |
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I still have a lot of work to do--- gonna look directly at Plop's contributions now, but I feel pretty good about lynching Plop today. Current headspace: Plop/Freezin/YoshL in that order
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11-29-2020, 01:04 AM | #2015 |
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I should be making mental notes of who I should be blocking based off your stuff here.
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11-29-2020, 01:06 AM | #2016 | ||
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There's no real incentive for wolf Sunfan to challenge wolf Plopadop this early for a weak push |
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11-29-2020, 01:06 AM | #2017 |
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Moreover, Plop defending himself to Sunfan like this here also is not W/W
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11-29-2020, 01:13 AM | #2018 | |
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The reason this is important is because, if I were in Plop's shoes here as a town, I would see the mechanics post and think, "she's focusing on mechanics. That's a wolf tell." because that's the most immediate response I'd have. The telling part is that Plop REACHES this read but then flips it over, saying "ah! She's towny because her post is so obviously wolfy that it can't be wolfy!!" This is a literal example of WIFOM... and yet, Plop magically seems to arrive at the unintuitive "correct" answer of "Ulli is town!" It's a very safe, easy move for Plop to make here, because it's a freebie read, because all he has to do is mentally invoke WIFOM and use the "contrarian" response. This is a very easy contrarian read for Plop to make, and it serves a dual purpose of making Plop seem like he's critically thinking about player alignment, but also saving his ass in case Ulli ends up lynched later. |
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YoshL responds to Plop's weird Ulli read.
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YoshL makes it a point to disagree with Plop's interpretation, but the conversation with Plop never results in any development of a read in either direction. Because Plop is a wolf with YoshL. Plop's response to YoshL's response is also EXTREMELY awkward and after that the conversation between them IMMEDIATELY stops. Plop's like, "OK, yeah, sure, I'll think about it." And that's it. This isn't how players talk to each other. Especially not YoshL. He'd be weirded out by Plop's post, just like I am. |
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11-29-2020, 01:39 AM | #2020 |
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To be more concise, maybe.
Wolf partners have a very hard time interacting with each other in thread. The reason is because, in the context of pushing an agenda, they have no reason to. Towns interact with towns and wolves because they want to solve the game. Wolves interact with towns because they need to trick town and push them to make mislynches. Why do wolves need to interact with wolves? Because people will notice if they don't. So wolf-wolf communication in-thread is purely a MAINTENANCE task: it's just something you sometimes have to do. And, unlike the other cases, these conversations are necessarily fake, performative. That's why it can really look stilted when two wolves talk to each other in thread. They're only doing it because they "have to." Plus, it's super hard! It can be harder to talk to your fellow wolves than it would be to talk to towns. As a rule of thumb, you rarely observe meaningful, compelling wolf dialogue, and many times you'll notice that some wolf pairs just flat-out do not talk to each other unless they have to. YoshL at least took the initiative to respond to Plop's observation because he knows this. He knows that he has to talk to his partners or else he looks bad. The problem is, as I pointed out, it is clear that YoshL/Plop's interaction exists only for its own sake. Nothing changes as a result of this conversation. In fact, if you pay attention, YoshL's post actually talks past Plopadop. And Plopadop, in response, terminates the conversation, and they both move on like nothing happened. |
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