ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

[blindreper1179]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

Just caught up. I don't know about the star vote, they instantly jump into the game and ISOd two people it seems. And read everything. I feel a wolf would skim and point out bs things to push an agenda. Star quoted things they agree and are unsure about.
You on the other hand have been very leader like. You've been upset not all info is on your hands (live chat example) you started this thread gun ho and had a way to communicate threads easily. (Which is nai) You've been extremely chatty quoting way way too much. It's thread filling.
I have to leave lunch. I'll get to sub on next break.

I feel like most info would be a sub/ gold lynch. If by God's guess star was wolf or town, it's not gonna help us, we'd still be at square one.

[star-crossed]

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I have been reading with an end of day voting focus. I apologize that I can be long-winded, but I think how strongly I personally feel in something is less important than how I got there.

FG: Is up first because the two people in the main game I have DM'd with, both mentioned her when I asked who is somebody that they think should be focused on more. Haha. She is on gold stinger at :19 for focusing inactives, ironically taking a similar stance to T-Force. I feel like "uh oh rip haku" "C H A O S" as day end reactions is likely not W/W with Haku. She would fit better with Ben, who she is not really taking an active stance on on day 0, and then does not place in her reads list day 1. I will say that for D1, I am agreeing with her approach, I think the main game has been derailed too much by mechanics and nihilism.

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plop: Stayed on Ben the whole time; explained why he did not like other wagons during the day end. Fairly neutral to me, only question for me is what are his thoughts on Haku and the votes on Haku are.

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raeko:

ben

I'm too late and full of seafood to read or re-evaluate at this point. This is the last thing I remember feeling soooo....

This does logically follow, but for you to be anything but null, I am going to need you to widen your net of who you are interacting with and talking about.

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Kappa: Wacky with his unvotes. On Subaru first at around :22, then logo, then Ben, then unvote, then Ben again. It is maybe notable that he has said that he susses Haku but does not take the option to vote Haku off. I do think it takes balls to say you are voting for somebody that you think is a wolf, I am not sure that is how a wolf would spin it. Lol. I do not think they are W/W.

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roundbox: Defends Kappa from the late voters. Is worried about Shadow, votes there, and then changes his mind. At :41 complains about Haku's Logo vote, then votes there at :58, then seems surprised other people are voting there and picks a Celirra vote at :59. With that, rb could be worried about looking bad for the Haku train (if Haku is a town) or was hoping to distance without it actually getting traction and never meant to actually put Haku in danger. Overall, it seems he does not care that much about who actually dies, and cares more about pressuring people. Which, is an interesting strategy, better for early on than it would be later. But, three last minute votes on somebody who are either not going to die or are somebody roundbox did not see through to voting out, is limited pressure in my opinion.

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Charu: Puts a new vote on funkywong at :24. From Charu's shrug leans (mostly on the new people), only logoman had a single vote. I am curious why funkywong over FG, for instance, who was at least posting at the time, or the other shrug noobs. Defends Subaru, and does not really talk about the others who are being voted for. After a question to funkywong, he goes onto logoman at :49, and then complains a lot at the very end about the chaos.

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Haku: Went from storn to T-Force before end of day, and then onto Logo at :29. (I think the vote being counted for Subaru, was a sunfan mistake, I do not see it either, so not much to take from that). Encourages other people to vote. Defends self by saying there are not enough wolves to swing/snipe people last minute with so many total players (which I am not sure I agree with, since the trains were somewhat tiny). I feel it may be a cop out to vote an "unreadable" person to "simplify" things, but it makes sense to stay there for self-pres.
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Celirra:

next time let them fight for themselves pls

(btw our days talking in cybernaut were awesome lets talk more sometime)

unvote

I am having trouble understanding this, because it prompts an unvote, but Celirra is also complaining about it at the same time?

mcdaddio
you have 5 min

This to me seems safe and fake helpful because you will have OOTC to ask this person this in 5 minutes. I do not see why it is good use of time to throw a vote here, rather than focusing on the people who may die and creating the best outcome.

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T-Force: Votes Haku at [url=https://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?p=4765624#post4765624]:34[/quote] for the Logo vote. I am not sure what specifically, Haku should know better than to do? I do like T-Force's pressure on Kappa, in that I think his analysis is reasonable, but ends up coming out of it liking Kappa more for sticking to guns. T-Force is only on Kappa for 3 minutes before going back on Haku.

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Storn: I do not really know the meta on storn in the way some of you seem to, but these are my thoughts.

goldslinger

idc wolf or town, i dont like this train of thought. if they do something to slip up, fine vote em, but i dont think voting new players for being inactive/null on D0 is the way to go.

doubling down on my goldstinger

Gold stinger was pushing that inactives are anti-town and thus a good vote regardless. You are pushing that voting inactives is anti-town. It is kind of ironic, because you two are pretty much equally voting based on theories of anti-townness, rather than who could be a wolf. To me, it is a safe play, although you seem chaotic so I do not know that you feel forced into a safe play if you are a wolf. Then you are ending up on Haku, in the last 2 minutes, for some reason. Haku is at least not inactive, but I am wondering what your actual thought of Haku is.

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Xiz: He goes on Subaru on :34 to get people going (not clear what the lean is there) and he does not swap until :59. It seems like he is mostly going for chaos and memes, but I do not really get why he picked Haku over Kappa, after talking about not getting Kappa. I would like an explanation for that.

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Bugkid: Technically should be considered a Logo voter in my opinion even if it was not counted (:00 to save Haku). Even though they did not really go for anybody that had momentum, it is explained they are not convinced by the existing wagons. I generally like where their focus is even if I do not fully agree. They are not going for "low hanging fruit" with their pressure and their grumpiness sounded genuine, to me. The quip to Xiz about "we were on the same page for 2 minutes" was funny, and seemed genuine.

[star-crossed]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

@ star

I am going to address all of this later, I am going to be busy untill little later, but, I will atleast point a few things,

My wierd takes have always been a part of my game, its how I word things, I have hard time putting actions into words but, I will try,


I will say at this point I am very suspicious of Haku, xiz, storn. I will make some more posts later, My spicy takes i put in ootc, which was T force and bugkids interactions seemed calculated and not guinined especially the one where bugkid rage voted T force for their not wanting to lynch new people.


The ben thing was mainly about a flip, if ben was town I think lewdy looks a lot worse,

I was inetionally thnking bugkid and t force had background information but, it might be just the way they interact with each other.


Choof, I think has information, hes not telling people and thats why he was so agressive. I think he has some kind of role or something.

I will go into more detail about haku, xiz, not really storn because hes just playing terrible game.

Thank you for the context about Bugkid and T-Force being sus to you, that makes it more clear why you would care about Bugkid's vote. I did not read it that way so much, I think that they both seem passionate about their opposing theories. But, I do think that it is a fair thing to look into, because I think wolves may be biased to seeing other wolves as wolves for innocuous things because they already know them to be. I do not understand the point in keeping that card closer to your chest, when it seems like a better conversation topic than many going on at the time. I have not played with Bugkid before, so I have no meta for you, but there should be people that have.

[gold stinger]

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Just caught up. I don't know about the star vote, they instantly jump into the game and ISOd two people it seems. And read everything. I feel a wolf would skim and point out bs things to push an agenda. Star quoted things they agree and are unsure about.
You on the other hand have been very leader like. You've been upset not all info is on your hands (live chat example) you started this thread gun ho and had a way to communicate threads easily. (Which is nai) You've been extremely chatty quoting way way too much. It's thread filling.
I have to leave lunch. I'll get to sub on next break.

I feel like most info would be a sub/ gold lynch. If by God's guess star was wolf or town, it's not gonna help us, we'd still be at square one.

This is the sort of parsing that I was behind initially, until I decided that it's not just my game that I'm playing, but everyone's game with this vote.

Considering I'm already 1 death removed, I might as well make the most informationally-available lynch that benefits everyone's parsing of the game state rather than just my own. In my opinion, that would be having to go back to the roots of the wagons that happened for d0 voting, which is the Logman stack, and the Haku stack.

Reason I come to that conclusion, is because we are under assumption that everyone here is town, yes? What information comes to light if I flip town? What about Subaru? Logman (star-crossed) flipping town means incorrect votes from d0 that can be analyzed. There isn't much to analyze on a Subaru / gs kill, unless you want to check my reads to see if they are town-genuine, which may or may not be wrong because it's day 1 and you could check with a star-crossed lynch, or check Subaru of which I have nothing for and doubt it would provide much information, I'd have to read back through the thread to see what their thoughts are on other players.

[star-crossed]

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I think the most likely scenario is that we are all town, from the info sun fan gave. Personally I do not want to die, before I can fully play, but I can understand it from the perspective that this player received more votes. The problem, is that I fear my flip actually gives little, because Logo was a default vote.

Based on process of elimination, my D0 lean and the fact that I think Gold stinger is the least likely to have been actually killed off by the wolves, I personally feel best Gold stinger for now.

I am running late for work, so I was hoping to think it through more first, but I do not want to hold things up either.

[gold stinger]

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I think the most likely scenario is that we are all town, from the info sun fan gave. Personally I do not want to die, before I can fully play, but I can understand it from the perspective that this player received more votes. The problem, is that I fear my flip actually gives little, because Logo was a default vote.

Based on process of elimination, my D0 lean and the fact that I think Gold stinger is the least likely to have been actually killed off by the wolves, I personally feel best Gold stinger for now.

I am running late for work, so I was hoping to think it through more first, but I do not want to hold things up either.

Great, so we're completely indecisive now and can't seriously help the main game (with blind wanting to vote Subaru, and Subaru still being ???)

[gold stinger]

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@DaBackpack

an important thing to remember is that (im assuming) nobody in the game knew that there was going to be a purgatory game thread. which means, wolves EXPECTED a color flip last phase, just like the rest of us.

This is also why Charu and Ben are in my scum reads, because by deductive reasoning, kills and night actions would've been sent on the premise that they would've returned color flips as well, under assumption that the no flip was a power or side effect or something. It wasn't until the beginning of this day phase, that it was made known that dead players were in a second game. In the happenstance that NO ONE knew about that mechanic, then wolves didn't know that whom they killed would have a voice throughout the rest of the game, and could communicate to alive players.

see: this post

[blindreper1179]

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Ok, i ISOd sub in this game, don't have time for main game. Sub is mostly posting useless stuff with a side of interacting with others over schematics and such. Posting about not being here and how fucked this game is. Lots of posts, not a lot of content. Star is doing an amazing job of picking people part right now. There've made like 10 posts and have been more useful than any of us. That in turn might make a good lynch over what they flip, but I feel star is more town than any of the three options at this point. Im going to go Subaru as of right now, with not voting though, don't want a hammer just yet? In xss someone rush votes or something.

[blindreper1179]

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I get why you're on my neighbor so much, but even if they knew what i could do, they knew my target. All they would have to do is say "hey Xiz don't make the kill" if xiz is even a wolf. My neighbor basically controlling where my track goes if we're agreed on things makes me useless. I don't see my neighbor killing me when they know I was going to get nothing in return. If anything, if my neighbor was a wolf, and i tracked a non wolf and get a return action, they kill them the next night. I don't see my neighbor killing me, especially since they're smart.

[gold stinger]

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Im going to go Subaru as of right now, with not voting though, don't want a hammer just yet? In xss someone rush votes or something.

Alright, then can we get some idea of what clarity a green Subaru flip would give? I'm still looking through posts, at the graph bit.

[gold stinger]

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Alright, then can we get some idea of what clarity a green Subaru flip would give? I'm still looking through posts, at the graph bit.

I did a skim

Most I got was Subaru being upset about people voting him d0 and not responding to his questions, namely Celery

and Ben.

wow.

sugoi ze.

[blindreper1179]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

Alright, then can we get some idea of what clarity a green Subaru flip would give? I'm still looking through posts, at the graph bit.

That's the thing, I'm not too sure, i don't know what he said main game. I do know what star and you and sub said this game. Idk what you said in main either tbh. I just know im not voting star because they are ripping things out. Very opposite of log.

Im actually weary that you didn't think of what i wrote about my partner, unless you did and that's why you're gunning for him. You know my neighbor is smart and killing me, and blaming him is quite easy to do.

[gold stinger]

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@DaBackpack

@blindreper

this is a great post by blind(for once)

what stands out to me is the stark contrast in gold's behavior from d0 to d1. IF there are any wolves in the purgatory game, he's a top candidate, since his level of engagement seems dramatically enhanced from yesterday.

it's because there's a new "mystery" for him that he wants to solve, that doesn't require him to scumhunt or solve the game normally. remember: he had committed to lynching inactives early on yesterday.

blind mentioned "having control" as a wolf value and this is right on the money. at least speaking from personal experience, I always want to feel like I'm in control of the game when I'm a wolf. After all, if I'm winning, I want to KEEP winning. To that extent, stochasticity is not purely a good thing for wolves. Not even understanding the game mechanics means that this is wolves "not having control." Naturally they are going to want to understand the mechanics so they can regain that control of the game.

-----There might not even be any wolves in the purgatory thread. The fact that someone would have an increased interest in the game because of unique bastard rules is generic enough to apply to anybody. But my POV is still that Gold Stinger should be voted out in the purgatory thread.

blind is a PR.
star_crossed is subbing in for an inactive, and seems townie so far.

Subaru is a good second choice. I think if we live in a world where there are TWO wolves in the purgatory game, Subaru would fit with Gold Stinger. Subaru might even fit with star_crossed, idk.

@blind @star_crossed

That's the thing, I'm not too sure, i don't know what he said main game. I do know what star and you and sub said this game. Idk what you said in main either tbh. I just know im not voting star because they are ripping things out. Very opposite of log.

Im actually weary that you didn't think of what i wrote about my partner, unless you did and that's why you're gunning for him. You know my neighbor is smart and killing me, and blaming him is quite easy to do.

Cool, so, we're in agreement (of some case) then.

Here's a reads list:

1) roundbox - scum lean
2) Hakulyte - scum
3) Shadow_God_10 - town
4) Funnygurl555 - figure it out
5) SubaruPoptart - town
6) T-Force - town
7) gold stinger - town
8) mellonxcollie - figure it out
9) FreezinIce - figure it out
10) XelNya - town
11) 123kappa3 - slight scum lean
12) funkywong - town
13) storn42 - town
14) Celirra - figure it out
15) Xiz - town
16) reuben_tate - scum
17) fatfuck42 - town
18) Logman6656 star-crossed - town
19) choof - town
20) bugkid666 - town
21) spongebobismysenpai - town
22) blindreper1179 - town
23) mcdaddio - town
24) cedolad - town
25) Charu - scum
26) DaBackPack - town

[gold stinger]

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Here's my vote on myself

gold stinger

now vote me or this day phase will not end until it ends at the same time as the main game thread, causing them to have NO INFO for this day phase from this game, AND I force kitb.

[gold stinger]

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I swear to god it's like a game full of town's can't bother to actually make the move to take a bullet for advancement of the game in the right direction.