Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

[i love you]

@Zeroskill: Thank you!

@SkRAWRk: No problem man. Expect the final list to be posted this weekend!

@Community: You guys have about 4 hours and 38 mins to turn in your outlines!

[Elite Ninja]

haha I turned in my outline the day this thread was made. I might have even been the first to submit, idk.

[i love you]

Actually, you were the first to submit an outline! (:

PS: Outline submissions are OFFICIALLY closed and final list will be posted sometime this weekend!

[WTF WRECKED]

Also, I would like to thank these people in advance for turning in outlines. You will be mentioned in the future BELIEVE ME!

1. Elite Ninja
2. rushyrulz
3. master q60
4. stavie33
5. Xx{Midnight}xX
6. ic0slayer
7. SkRAWRk
8. CaosNight
9. star reaper
10. wargasm1
11. emulord
12. remedy1502
13. -zeroSKILL-

Which leaves us with 13 OUTLINES! Not as much as we expected but it's definitely a really good start. Really appreciate you guys for taking the time to turn in your outlines and supporting this system and the whole community. You guys really deserve a reward for your hard work!

[Elite Ninja]

I was expecting more outlines as well O.O

[krunkykai22]

Well, I started to work on an outline yesterday when I saw that the time period was extended but I didn't see when it was over So it will have to do for now lol

[i love you]

Next time, pay more attention to the deadline. PM me your outline by tomorrow or else it will not be counted.

[One Winged Angel]

The only reason I didn't end up submitting one is because I fail to remember almost any of the charts for 7s and 8s and figured this would be a job better suited for players that are much more familiar with those files :/

I finished 25 VCs, starting struggling with picking 9s, and then just scrapped the whole thing lmao

[krunkykai22]

Thanks i love you i will do so!

I'm sorry I haven't checked the thread often, between the baby and driving places to get money and look for jobs, it's been ****ing rough. I will definitely complete this by tomorrow around 5pm EST

[i love you]

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

The only reason I didn't end up submitting one is because I fail to remember almost any of the charts for 7s and 8s and figured this would be a job better suited for players that are much more familiar with those files :/

I finished 25 VCs, starting struggling with picking 9s, and then just scrapped the whole thing lmao

Not a problem lmao. Feel free to PM me your 25 VCs songs list though. Would be nice to have since there is a lot of VC's to choose from hehe

Originally Posted by krunkykai22

Thanks i love you i will do so!

I'm sorry I haven't checked the thread often, between the baby and driving places to get money and look for jobs, it's been ****ing rough. I will definitely complete this by tomorrow around 5pm EST

Alright, sounds like a deal. Just make sure it's turned in sometime tomorrow (:

[krunkykai22]

Yes, of course Thanks again!

[-zeroSKILL-]

It was rough picking the 9's and 10's for me... I felt like the number of 10's definitely should've been 30 max. Was really hard just settling on 25 :/

7's and 8's were easy. Just picked a variety of files that I remember tested me in different ways, and hope that other players that are just starting out can use those picks as a guide for what kind of files to practice on.

World of Dreams was an lol must in my list. I remember struggling with the jumps in that file so bad >_<

[CaosNight]

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

The only reason I didn't end up submitting one is because I fail to remember almost any of the charts for 7s and 8s and figured this would be a job better suited for players that are much more familiar with those files :/

lol like me

[remedy1502]

Originally Posted by -zeroSKILL-

World of Dreams was an lol must in my list. I remember struggling with the jumps in that file so bad >_<

Lmfao absolutely I was so bad at that file for the longest time.
EternuS had to be in mine cause it's a fun ass 7 and 12th stream and jacks seemed good to have.

[stavie33]

World of Dreams was also a must 7 for me, back in the day I found it quite challenging. Also, I thought for VC's 30 should've been the cap as well, there were SO many to pick from. I was just confused because I felt it unfair to pick anything below a 73 in difficulty, because then I wouldn't have room for all the 73+ songs, and I felt it was wrong to give tier points for accomplishments on an easier song but not a harder one (ex. if for some reason we have Carousel Paradise on the list and not ASCII artcore, you AAA Paradise and ger 4 points but AAA Artcore, which is significantly harder and you get nothing, I felt that would be wrong so I tried to do as many high songs as I can yet still keep it balanced, which became extremely difficult)

[SkRAWRk]

Looking forward to seeing the final list. ^___^

[-zeroSKILL-]

Originally Posted by stavie33

so I tried to do as many high songs as I can yet still keep it balanced, which became extremely difficult)

I don't agree with the first part of this... The keeping balance thing? Yes. Trying to squeeze in every hard VC? No.

I think the idea of making TP's available to the casual player is a terrific idea and breaks away from the ultra elitism that TP's had. But to go through each difficulty and select the hardest files isn't a good way to do it. Especially now that TP's are available from difficulty 7-12. This system seems to encourage a gradual progression kind of method, where a player can track their skill progression throughout their plays. However, jumping immediately from the hardest 7's giving TP, to the hardest 8's, then 9's, 10's, 11's, and finally 12's doesn't track progression smoothly. The TP's become available essentially when you've mastered each difficulty bracket, and by that time you probably already know you're that good. I prefer the flow of easier 7's to the most difficult 7's, easiest 10's to the most difficult 10's, etc. It rewards you for at the very least making attempts. But to just grant TP's to songs like Feldschlact, Bus Rides With People, Illumination of the Sky, Slaytronic, K8107, System Failure, and leave out songs like Tambourin Chinois, State of Emergency, dot death, and Wish (For FFR) seems unfair in the broad view of things. I tried my best to present an outline that didn't even include mostly challenging files for each difficulty, but rather an even curve. A gradual skill ladder for players to climb.

[SkRAWRk]

I'm sorry, but... Didn't he just make that point? That he wanted to keep it balanced and include lower level songs as well as higher ones to have a spread of sorts?

And you disagree with that on the grounds of the same argument?

Wat? o.o

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by stavie33

I felt it was wrong to give tier points for accomplishments on an easier song but not a harder one

Giving out tier points for easier songs without including all the harder ones is the entire point of this system - how else would we include only some of the songs in each difficulty from 7-10? With your approach we'd have to include every single 8+ to put any 7s into the list.

Basically, we're going to try to include a reasonable progression of charts all the way from 7s through FMOs, at which point almost all charts will be included. The difficulty barriers aren't really important here - we just wanted to have a roughly even amount in each difficulty to make sure that we keep a good progression of difficulties.

[PrawnSkunk]

I am so excited - this will defiantly help motivate my depressingly self-centered e-penis.