TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

[Xiz]

**if tforce was a wolf with funny

[Ulleabhara]

Mechanical stuff – a lot of this is just me getting my head in the game, but if anyone has some strategic insights, please share!

Blues (random pick 2)

• Phoenix: Seer
• Maya: Guardian/Vigilante (1 action per Night) + Miller
• Blue!Miles: Wizard + Ballot Stuffer? (We had this “plus-or-minus” vote role on the late home site but never came up with a good name for it)
• Trucy: 1-Shot Sniper (Another one we struggled with, “Elite Bodyguard” and “Trapper” also floated around, but I much prefer “Sniper”)
• Ema: Watcher/Tracker (Chooses pregame/N0)

Maya is potentially an OP combo, and I don’t think the Miller aspect does much to dampen it – unless, of course, Phoenix is in the game and we just pile on any red seering without thinking. This dictates that we should in fact not do that, especially with the possibility of Manfred in the game, which I will get to shortly.

Blue!Miles is a weird role, and I don’t think the vote-manipulation aspect of him is too useful. Sure, blocking a kill is a pretty strong “either-or” indication on your target’s alignment, but since you have to decide whether to plus or minus them at Night – that is, before you get your result and have any opportunity to sort them – I’d say it’s generally a bad idea to use it unless you have a strong opinion on your target beforehand.

Trucy has the potential to be a very effective “Sword of Damocles” against the wolf team going for a freshly-exposed Blue. With that in mind, if she exists, she should definitely wait for such an opportunity to arise to use her power.

I don’t see any reason for Ema not to choose Watcher. I hope she did if she’s in the game. It’s an easier guessing game and a greater potential reward. But if she chose Tracker, I guess we’ll have to deal.

Power Wolves (random pick 2)

• Manfred: Night 0 Permanent Framer
• Franziska: Revoker, Non-Consecutive Target (haven’t seen this particular modifier before)
• Red!Miles: Restricted Phantom Giver/Gambler (Restricted meaning both actions must be on the same target)
  
  • Reward Sequence: MW status, 1-shot Revoke, 1-Shot Vigi
• Matt: Master/Alpha, until kill invalidates (gotta say, I’m loving the creativity here)
• Kristoph: 1-Shot Stealth Killer

The potential existence of Manfred alone is a big reason why we should let red seerings breathe, and give the accused a chance to claim before throwing down the hammer. Sure, there’s always a chance that they are a wolf and luck out on not getting counterclaimed, but honestly, I don’t think any Blue claim in this game is something that a wolf can ride on forever.

Franziska’s restriction is a pretty good bone to throw to us – it means that they can’t permanently shut down a particular role, and actually have to risk wolfing them/hitting protection

Red!Miles has the potential to be a real pain in the fluffball-tail if played well. For example, if Phoenix is rolled along with him and Matt, and he gets his way even once, Phoenix is rendered practically useless because 2/3rds of the wolf team are now undetectable to him. The upside is that they still don’t have specific counters to any other Blue, but that may well change with further successes. With this in play, Wovles might be emboldened to go hard on Miles’ chosen victim during the day, and attempt to force a split vote (or stall at one) if the split contains Miles’ quarry. We need to counter this by calling out any of this behavior, not tolerating last-minute distractions or dead air, and work hard to build consensus with others on the vote.

Now, to the actual game...

[Shadow_God_10]

Originally Posted by Ulleabhara

Mechanical stuff – a lot of this is just me getting my head in the game, but if anyone has some strategic insights, please share!

Blues (random pick 2)

• Phoenix: Seer
• Maya: Guardian/Vigilante (1 action per Night) + Miller
• Blue!Miles: Wizard + Ballot Stuffer? (We had this “plus-or-minus” vote role on the late home site but never came up with a good name for it)
• Trucy: 1-Shot Sniper (Another one we struggled with, “Elite Bodyguard” and “Trapper” also floated around, but I much prefer “Sniper”)
• Ema: Watcher/Tracker (Chooses pregame/N0)

Maya is potentially an OP combo, and I don’t think the Miller aspect does much to dampen it – unless, of course, Phoenix is in the game and we just pile on any red seering without thinking. This dictates that we should in fact not do that, especially with the possibility of Manfred in the game, which I will get to shortly.

Blue!Miles is a weird role, and I don’t think the vote-manipulation aspect of him is too useful. Sure, blocking a kill is a pretty strong “either-or” indication on your target’s alignment, but since you have to decide whether to plus or minus them at Night – that is, before you get your result and have any opportunity to sort them – I’d say it’s generally a bad idea to use it unless you have a strong opinion on your target beforehand.

Trucy has the potential to be a very effective “Sword of Damocles” against the wolf team going for a freshly-exposed Blue. With that in mind, if she exists, she should definitely wait for such an opportunity to arise to use her power.

I don’t see any reason for Ema not to choose Watcher. I hope she did if she’s in the game. It’s an easier guessing game and a greater potential reward. But if she chose Tracker, I guess we’ll have to deal.

Power Wolves (random pick 2)

• Manfred: Night 0 Permanent Framer
• Franziska: Revoker, Non-Consecutive Target (haven’t seen this particular modifier before)
• Red!Miles: Restricted Phantom Giver/Gambler (Restricted meaning both actions must be on the same target)
  
  • Reward Sequence: MW status, 1-shot Revoke, 1-Shot Vigi
• Matt: Master/Alpha, until kill invalidates (gotta say, I’m loving the creativity here)
• Kristoph: 1-Shot Stealth Killer

The potential existence of Manfred alone is a big reason why we should let red seerings breathe, and give the accused a chance to claim before throwing down the hammer. Sure, there’s always a chance that they are a wolf and luck out on not getting counterclaimed, but honestly, I don’t think any Blue claim in this game is something that a wolf can ride on forever.

Franziska’s restriction is a pretty good bone to throw to us – it means that they can’t permanently shut down a particular role, and actually have to risk wolfing them/hitting protection

Red!Miles has the potential to be a real pain in the fluffball-tail if played well. For example, if Phoenix is rolled along with him and Matt, and he gets his way even once, Phoenix is rendered practically useless because 2/3rds of the wolf team are now undetectable to him. The upside is that they still don’t have specific counters to any other Blue, but that may well change with further successes. With this in play, Wovles might be emboldened to go hard on Miles’ chosen victim during the day, and attempt to force a split vote (or stall at one) if the split contains Miles’ quarry. We need to counter this by calling out any of this behavior, not tolerating last-minute distractions or dead air, and work hard to build consensus with others on the vote.

Now, to the actual game...

This post worries me, and I don't know how to put it into words

[SubaruPoptart]

Originally Posted by Ulleabhara

Mechanical stuff – a lot of this is just me getting my head in the game, but if anyone has some strategic insights, please share!

Blues (random pick 2)

• Phoenix: Seer
• Maya: Guardian/Vigilante (1 action per Night) + Miller
• Blue!Miles: Wizard + Ballot Stuffer? (We had this “plus-or-minus” vote role on the late home site but never came up with a good name for it)
• Trucy: 1-Shot Sniper (Another one we struggled with, “Elite Bodyguard” and “Trapper” also floated around, but I much prefer “Sniper”)
• Ema: Watcher/Tracker (Chooses pregame/N0)

Maya is potentially an OP combo, and I don’t think the Miller aspect does much to dampen it – unless, of course, Phoenix is in the game and we just pile on any red seering without thinking. This dictates that we should in fact not do that, especially with the possibility of Manfred in the game, which I will get to shortly.

Blue!Miles is a weird role, and I don’t think the vote-manipulation aspect of him is too useful. Sure, blocking a kill is a pretty strong “either-or” indication on your target’s alignment, but since you have to decide whether to plus or minus them at Night – that is, before you get your result and have any opportunity to sort them – I’d say it’s generally a bad idea to use it unless you have a strong opinion on your target beforehand.

Trucy has the potential to be a very effective “Sword of Damocles” against the wolf team going for a freshly-exposed Blue. With that in mind, if she exists, she should definitely wait for such an opportunity to arise to use her power.

I don’t see any reason for Ema not to choose Watcher. I hope she did if she’s in the game. It’s an easier guessing game and a greater potential reward. But if she chose Tracker, I guess we’ll have to deal.

Power Wolves (random pick 2)

• Manfred: Night 0 Permanent Framer
• Franziska: Revoker, Non-Consecutive Target (haven’t seen this particular modifier before)
• Red!Miles: Restricted Phantom Giver/Gambler (Restricted meaning both actions must be on the same target)
  
  • Reward Sequence: MW status, 1-shot Revoke, 1-Shot Vigi
• Matt: Master/Alpha, until kill invalidates (gotta say, I’m loving the creativity here)
• Kristoph: 1-Shot Stealth Killer

The potential existence of Manfred alone is a big reason why we should let red seerings breathe, and give the accused a chance to claim before throwing down the hammer. Sure, there’s always a chance that they are a wolf and luck out on not getting counterclaimed, but honestly, I don’t think any Blue claim in this game is something that a wolf can ride on forever.

Franziska’s restriction is a pretty good bone to throw to us – it means that they can’t permanently shut down a particular role, and actually have to risk wolfing them/hitting protection

Red!Miles has the potential to be a real pain in the fluffball-tail if played well. For example, if Phoenix is rolled along with him and Matt, and he gets his way even once, Phoenix is rendered practically useless because 2/3rds of the wolf team are now undetectable to him. The upside is that they still don’t have specific counters to any other Blue, but that may well change with further successes. With this in play, Wovles might be emboldened to go hard on Miles’ chosen victim during the day, and attempt to force a split vote (or stall at one) if the split contains Miles’ quarry. We need to counter this by calling out any of this behavior, not tolerating last-minute distractions or dead air, and work hard to build consensus with others on the vote.

Now, to the actual game...

I feel this is pretty important but I don't really fully understand it, in all honesty. I'm not quite sure why they used a different font, either-

[Ulleabhara]

Aww shit, where'd the time go?

I gotta get off — be back around 11pm

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Ulleabhara

Aww shit, where'd the time go?

I gotta get off — be back around 11pm

...

EoD in 4 hours.

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

...

EoD in 4 hours.

holy fUCK

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

holy fUCK

oopie doopie I thought the same thing rofl

I guess I will stop quoting Tokzic's monologue and actually make posts

[Hakulyte]

So, why are roles your priority ?

[the sun fan]

I thought it was tomorrow
yeah I'm not gonna make this one, forget it

[Xiz]

lol this is already going to be a shitshow

[flashflash account]

well if that post isn't just a major red flag, I don't know what is

I unironically think lynching in fg/tforce is a good idea
whoever we decide on lynching it's going to be a weak lynch though

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

well if that post isn't just a major red flag, I don't know what is

Ull talking about roles?

[Shadow_God_10]

FG seems to at least be doing bare minimum here, as opposed to T-Force.

[TWGma]

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10

FG seems to at least be doing bare minimum here, as opposed to T-Force.

Okay, now my glasses come off.
Bruh.

I know I haven't exactly done anything, but like. FG's posts have been memes at best.

[Shadow_God_10]

Originally Posted by TWGma

Okay, now my glasses come off.
Bruh.

I know I haven't exactly done anything, but like. FG's posts have been memes at best.

Keep them on, old man. I know you're blind as a bat


Looking back, yes both of you haven't really done much

[Xiz]

for the record, i'm very 'eh' about killing between them

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by Xiz

for the record, i'm very 'eh' about killing between them

if today's kill ends up being something that people are enthused about, then there is something very, very wrong

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

if today's kill ends up being something that people are enthused about, then there is something very, very wrong

sssh dont give it away you baka

[Shadow_God_10]

Gonna go shovel and I'll be back, hopefully