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if he believes it, even if I don't, and its not because of malice or something, I can still look him in the eye and enjoy talking to him/being around him
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What is malice if not the choice to deprive someone of their freedom?
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don't really think its malicious if he thought he was doing good
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It might be easier to navigate if we're more precise about the issue.
Personally, I don't really find holistic markers like "good person" and "bastard" super useful when it comes down to it. Your friend might, in general, be "a good person." When we say ACAB, it's a statement that "being a cop" is de facto a negative character trait. There is no way to spin "being a cop" into a consistently positive trait. This is at the heart of ACAB. Your friend might donate to charity, volunteer at pet shelters, and be a community leader. These are positive traits that reflect well on him. But at the end of the day, none of these things "cancel out" his being a cop. People can be both good and bad. The question you should be asking isn't "is there an example of a cop that I think is a good person?", but rather "is there a good person who I thought was good BECAUSE he was a cop?" "He seems like a sweet guy, but he's a police officer." This right here illustrates this nuance. "He's a police officer", in this case, is positioned to form a juxtaposition with the clause "He seems like a sweet guy." The cop-ness DETRACTS from the original premise of "He seems like a sweet guy." That is ACAB. |
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it's cool that y'all are having talks about race but i'm starting to disagree with some stuff said here so here we go:
you can believe that acab while still valuing your friendship with a cop outside of their profession, imo. for police, enforcing laws-- whether they agree with them or not-- is their responsibility. i wouldn't blame a cop for enforcing drug laws, so long as they did so indiscriminately (edit: does this happen? no). do i have an issue with drug laws period? yeah, but that's above cops' heads. there's some misguided anger going on here
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I-35 goes through my city. It was constructed at a time where redlining was a standard tactic of systemic racism. The black part of town was pushed to the east, the white part was pushed to the west. I-35 is an effective conduit that serves a lot of traffic. Regardless of how well or poorly it manages traffic flow, it still upholds the status quo of systemic racism by separating black and brown Austin from white Austin.
Being a cop is a lot like that interstate. Policing is an institution designed to uphold the status quo of systemic racism regardless of whether a cop is a good or bad person and regardless of whether they are a good or bad cop. The laws they are told to enforce and the criminal justice system that designs the punishment for those laws upholds systemic racism. Hiring cops with good hearts won't magically fix that problem.
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what i'm trying to get at is that police are enforcing laws that higher bodies of government put into effect. if you're angry about drug laws, direct your anger to policymakers. cops don't make the laws happen.
i'm not saying that cops are not to blame for issues surrounding policing in general. this is gonna be an unfortunately controversial statement but it's human nature to follow authority even when there isn't anything significant to lose
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you can do both at once. and when you direct it at cops you lower their morale and they start quitting, which is what they're doing right now.
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When a police officer is stricken by irrational fear for their safety and kills somebody who is not a threat with unjustified force, they are doing so because it's human nature to use force during such fear. And as far as a police officer doing so is not following some innate nature, but rather their training, which is their authority, they are following their human nature by following authority. If you want to excuse human actions for being human nature, you have to first deny human moral agency. |
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yes, a cop can choose to ignore them, but quotas are a real thing and they don't give a fuck. they're more likely to fulfill their quota instead of show compassion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification this also exists within the power of citizens in the form of jury nullification Last edited by roundbox; 06-18-2020 at 11:48 PM.. |
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this seems like a bit of a low blow
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y'all see why i don't like this chick now right
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tbf a lot of negative stereotypes of "crackheads" and shit like that are perpetuated by... cops
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yeah but i'm not saying that cops aren't shitty i'm saying that what gave them the ability to even be shitty in the first place wasn't their doing
like i'm not arguing that we don't blame cops for their own discriminatory acts or for their role in perpetuating racism. even then though, the situation's much more complicated than "cops are racist." it's not like someone magically becomes an asshole when they do become a cop or aspire to become one. america's racist and keeps raising racist people and that won't stop by pointing fingers at cops because every damn institution-- from health care to education to housing-- is racist and became that way through the same mechanisms that brought us our shitty police force js, my comments never tried to cast the police force in a positive light edit: i get that my posts could be construed that way because i have a habit of under explaining but also c'mon
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