TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

[Hakulyte]

What's scary is that this is the timeframe where EoD will end tomorrow.

[Hakulyte]

Fun fact: botchi246 is the only player who haven't posted today.

[Hakulyte]

I'm probably just going to go sleep and wait tomorrow for taking any decisions. I want to believe they'll come back in time to do something.

[danceflashrevo]

Right so following up on your response, mellon.

I understand that you misread, or poorly worded, and those are forgivable, but what is lacking is your stance on anything. Not a reads list and I think I only got slight reads from about... 2 people perhaps from all of your posting. So if you could share with us how you're feeling on solving the game, any hunches, any change on your read on precarious, any intention to interact more meaningfully, etc

[XelNya]

... I read gutsy as gusty

in case that image isn't funny thats why.

[XelNya]

Sigh. Can reach ffr from my phone but not my pc.

Fun. Shit.

[XelNya]

Guess i'll ghetto rig a post or post when I get up

[XelNya]

Post written, will post later along with my catch up.

[_Zenith_]

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Nice

Anyways, I'm doing isolations at the moment.

I have a gutread that Gradiant was actually fearkilled despite being a solid town read from multiple people.

[_Zenith_]

Hakulyte - WIFOM Wolf or Extremely Detrimental Town

First off dank comment about me being white noise; isolating you is nothing but white noise for a healthy portion of your posts.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Someone who rolled wolf, please answer me.

Got a bad vibe from this, though this specifically could be used both ways. Actually the three post progression from this quote is awfully strange.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Ah finally, I can pick a fight with someone.

Geez, I was getting bored.

I only had one wolf game so far on FFR and it was with Charu not too long ago. I assumed wolves would talk to each others at the first night to tell their roles etc.

From the reaction I'm getting, looks like I'm wrong?

Love the fact you chose gradiant, the cop, to pick a fight (needless to say you’d lose that fight). Third segment doesn’t need to exist.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Look Charu, this is why I avoid talking about mechanics in games as wolf, people think I'm bullshitting because I don't know what I'm doing.

I think you should wait until I do more slips like that to make your own opinion of me. I'm going to be around during most of the phase and I'm usually fairly easy to read.

Hate the “as wolf/if I was a wolf” statements and I know you tend to use them frequently enough that it’s a terrible way to show your point or defend yourself.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

In my first wolf game I avoided posting every time someone said something about mechanics on purposes because I kept not understanding what everything means and I didn't want to get attention to myself.

This game, the exact same thing is happening, except that I'm town here.

Just really tired and retarded.

Ye, just really tired and retarded reading yet another flashback of you being a wolf.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I also got tilted because I can view myself doing this as wolf especially considering the last game I just did where I pretended to be the Seer.

CHRIST MAKE IT STOP

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Here's my meta in one picture.

Making a point to say you called me a second Xelnya when you’re literally ripping off these posts straight from him. ?????????????????

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

If I had wolf buddies, they wouldn't help me. They would throw me under the bus as soon as possible and pray that I never roll wolf again.

jsayin'

At this point, I feel like I’m dealing with an extreme case of wifom or an extreme case of stupidity.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I hope we never work together.

“We agree on something!”

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I just said what I thought about the hypothetical world where I'm a wolf.

I have no idea what FreezinIce is doing this game.

I'll let you judge that.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Hey XelNya,

I don't like you for pushing me while I'm already down.

Garbage, you deserve to get lynched for this.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

This game format is very different of Turbo.

My meta is not working well here because we have like 15 players/72 hours.

People don't feel pressured as much and most of everything I'm doing is backfiring at me.

Basically I need to either reconsider how I'm playing or continue and pray I find a bigger fish than me by the end of EoD.

At least you accept and acknowledge it. That’s nice.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Here's a quick ninja of ShadoWolfe who's about to mention reads.

1. inHard (inDheart) - Most likely Town
2. Hakuright (Hakulyte) - Most likely Wrong
3. R.e.ally Xi (R.E. Aryxi) - Low Activity
4. SurelyWolfe (Shadowolfe) - Null (not sure what to think of you vs FreezinIce)
5. danceflashgun (danceflashrevo) - Low Activity
6. Charuzard (Charu) - Most likely Town
7. Greatiant (Gradiant) - Most likely Town
8. FreezeInIce (FreezinIce) - Null town-lean? (not really familiar with how you play)
9. DaKnapsack (DaBackpack) - Null town-lean?
10. PriCARius (Precarious) - Null wolf-lean?
11. boundrocks (roundbox) - Low activity
12. ho246 (botchi246) - Low activity
13. Sell?Nah (XelNya) - Null town-lean?
14. Lucker1 (Juckter1) - Null (not sure how to read you)
15. melanxcholy (mellonxcollie) - Null town-lean (not really familiar with how you play)

Was it you who said I had cookie-cutter reads? If so, literally fuck you, read your own reads.

At this point I actually refuse to isolate Haku any longer.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Was it you who said I had cookie-cutter reads? If so, literally fuck you, read your own reads.

At this point I actually refuse to isolate Haku any longer.

Did you notice how I typed "Null town-lean", "Null wolf-lean" and even added a "?" after some of them? It's subtle, but it's a lot better than Null, Null, Null etc.
Most of my early reads at this game are tone/interactions and I wanted to keep this as a point of reference for the future.

I also developed on my reads as the game progressed and it has served its own purpose if you kept reading.

FreezinIce being one of them, but also a big fml due his lack of interaction with players that aren't Gradiant.
My Precarious wolf-lean forced me to interact with him as well. I got pissed, but I eventually figured that's just how his meta works.

Also, there's a few of these that I just had no idea at all what they were doing due the sheer amount of activity.

[ShadoWolfe]

Here's where I'm at rn:

I quoted three posts by Botchi earlier. I will be addressing them as "first", "second", and "third" in this post, so you may refer to my post here.

The first one, his "reads list", I had issues with because he said that I would yield juicy morsels to dissect upon my flip. I consider it a slight scumtell to suggest a lynch based on "all the info we'd get", if you don't mention exactly what kind of info you'd get off a town flip. I'm not alone in this, and a lot of "theorists" on mafiascum share the same view (from what I've read in wiki and forum). This is especially true in my mind if you're acting like a mislynch will yield a ton of juicy information on Day 0!

In the same post, he also wrote his "read" of Precarious, which read more like an aside for Precarious to read: "this dude can really write some long posts (/wrists), why are you voting for me? From your analysis of me, I don't really see your pov. You don't know me, so I appreciate the raw read, but everything I have said has been for town's greater good. This vote is weak with weak sauce to back it up". That may be the weakest defense I've ever read, basically saying "you don't know me, so don't lynch me" LOL. I also reeally didn't like the part where he says, "everything I have said has been for town's greater good", mainly because being that certain of "town's greater good" in D0 is shady af, to say the least. I also have to note that that quote made me laugh because of "everything I have said" amounting to roughly as many posts as the moderator.

Last point about Botchi's read list: He puts juckter in his "lynch pile", and freezin in his "do not lynch" pile. While the FreezinIce placement is WIFOM and he may have just had a good read on him, his placement of juckter is confusing and weird and maybe even bad. He cites inactivity, then notes that he's doing the same thing (hypocrisy), then says "still, his lack of work sucks". With that weirdness in his one-lined read of juckter, let's move on to his next post.

Oh, interesting. He's rethought his placement of juckter and doesn't think he should be lynched D0, unless town wants to lynch him, in which case, Botchi would like to reassure us that he will also vote him. This is a textbook case of bussing, and was one of the bases I used for saying there are likely "multiple wolves in Botchi, Juckter, DBP, and roundbox".

Alright. Cool.. Let's move on to the third post I quoted.

Here, he's responding to Precarious. Two parts struck me as weird. First, in defending his inactivity this game, he didn't say "oh, shit was going on, blah blah", or even, "I was really busy and couldn't keep up", or even "I'm just not feeling TWG right now". Instead, he said specifically "flying UTR is kinda my pattern and it's not alignment indicative". Almost as if he had planned on sticking to his pattern. This wouldn't be a lot on its own, but it did stick out as hyperconsciousness of his own meta, that I don't normally see in town.

I'm not even going to talk about that final response being long, and yet being posted exactly at 8pm, or the fact that he used "park this here for now" about a literal last-minute vote, but all of the above is why I have Botchi as my strongest scum.

[ShadoWolfe]

Also, I'm very suspicious of Hakulyte, and feel it necessary to note that he should not be given a free pass every day, or even this day.

At first, I was reading Haku as "being haku" with his d0 wolfslips that have been posted and dismissed repeatedly. These are many and plainly available in his ISO, from his highfive to Charu when Charu mentioned the wolves congratulating him to asking "will a wolf answer this please". I do believe town Haku would also make these posts, but there's a critical aspect of town Haku that is entirely missing here in this game.

He's not lost. He's not frustrated. He's not confused. His posts have had exception clarity, and he's dug into people well, in well-articulated posts, using quotes of their own posts as reasoning. These all sound like good, towny traits, but it's not Haku. In other words, he seems like he actually knows who's who, and what's what. While he's tried to change his tone every game we've played, he ultimately reverts back to panicked Haku or fatalistic Haku at some point in D0, when the going gets tough and the pressure is on. There's none of that here, not even a hint of frustration or confusion. Him being this confident is really not a town-tell for Haku, and I think everyone needs to reassess their reads on him when they get a chance.

[ShadoWolfe]

Actually, you guys don't need to reassess.

Hey Haku, I'm shooting you tonight.

Nothing anyone else can say will change my mind in the slightest.

[roundbox]

someone tell me


what rhymes with
swallow the coat
and
hollow the moat

your answer is what I'm working on (probably)

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Just got off work, I'm heading over to a friend's house but will be back on later tonight. Thread was an interesting, bird - filled read.

In a game-related note before signing off, I'm willing to take Charu off my scumhunting notebook for now. I think it's unlikely for him to do this as wolf, but it's just the sort of crazy gambit he might try as SK.

K, be back later!

Literally afraid of more-than-necessary posts about work/irl.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

... On second thought, I'm actually inclined to believe him for now. Long-term benefits of this as SK are non-existent, because there's 15 of us and 8-9 will be dead by D5 (depending on whether theres a vengeful/vigi kill), so that would narrow the pool too much and draw too much attention. Ugh, idfk.
I'll re-examine later.

I actually read that first post and could’ve pegged you as town for the majority of the game until I read this, ugh.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Oh? How's that?

What'd I make up?

I literally took your posts as is and quoted them in order. If you don't like them, maybe you shouldn't have made them in the first place?

Please do make an effort to tell me why I'm wrong, though.

Nice nice the bashing is small but funny.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Yeah I don't buy the whole "neutral" thing either, but his defense did seem natural and genuine enough to dissuade me. Still not reading town, but not getting enough of a wolfy vibe to sustain a vote on him.

His interactions with Haku are also interesting, with Haku going from:

To


If I believed TWG could be this simple, I'd lynch em both and be done with it, but I've learned that this game is too intense and demanding to simply hand me two scum in a single interaction on D0. Lol, if only.

I think this is the first interaction with gradiant (iunno I skipped a few posts in between) in which falls under a negative tone but still goes forward in productivity. Also the latter of this post is fucking cringe to me.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Hi there!
I've read a couple of your games from way back. Nice ta meetcha (:

Far too friendly in a TWG game my god is this the real life or is this just fantasy?

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Xel hasn't done shit other that. That's his one game related contribution to thread. He needs to step it up, as do roundbox and DBP.

Feels really odd you targeted these three but not others (like R.E, juckter, botchi, etc).

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Yeah, I had noted the same. It makes me especially wary because he had done the same thing last game and ended up flipping wolf. Filling long post after long post with nothing but Charu is no way to go about hunting scum.

Precarious, where you at, buckaroo?

Why are the majority of your posts coming from quotes off of others and not straight up posting? Latter of this post is ????????

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Excellent! Welcome to the Wolfes. As part of my Wolfeteam, you first task is to hunt down those pesky wolves that spell a singular Wolfe without the E, and switch the F for Vs when plural. Any wolf is an enemy of the Wolfes. Hunt those scum down and make 'em pay for giving us a bad name!

In return, you shall have everything your heart desires!
if you use the power of imagination, like in neverland

Gross. You did it again.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Also, since you've joined, I'll let you know that this is a lifelong contract you signed, with the punishment of betrayal being a quick and painless death. Welcome, juckterWolfe.
-loud applause plays through speakers-

Ugh, revolting.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Two things:

1: I'm surprised that nobody has commented on my garfield picture. It's shocking and hilarious at the same time. Fucking uncultured fucks.

2: Precarious... "You tiptoe around Charu (since attacking someone who's effectively confirmed town is dangerous)" seems like a slip. It's human nature to include unrelated things into a conversation if they're one our mind. I could be talking about tacos, but replace the word "taco" with, "car", if I've been having car troubles. I liked the rest of your post, but could you explain your reasoning on the Charu bit? I, for instance, haven't talked to our birdfriend at all, except for making "brief little posts" about his birdiness. How does DaBackpack differ from anyone else in that regard?

1 doesn’t need to exist
2 can exist but half of it ultimately could’ve remained in your head.

QUOTE=ShadoWolfe;4482319]

1. inDheart

Wolfish. I thought he was townie, but an ISO of his posts led me to the realization that aside from early speculation about Charu (including a shitty VT one), and posts about sweaters (birds), and shitposts, his only real posts were various jumps on the freezin wagon, and speculations about Haku's defensiveness. While he normally strikes me as a very independent player, he looks like he's just playing to shitpost until real shit happens react and play off of other people's thoughts. On re-reading, he jumped to the top of my list of suspicious players. I'm not liking his game at all right now.

2. Hakulyte

Townish. Haku always shitposts, with the exception of last game's fuckaround as town. This game seems to have gone back to shitpostiness, except there's enough slips in here to make a banana look bad, including two about how we should "wait until (Haku) does more slips like that". Despite that, though, I'm leaning town on this one based on tone and reactions. Also, lol at his attempt of a readlist ninja.

3. R.E. Aryxi

Null. His two posts have both been about how he can't post, and I'm willing to believe that for now. He apologized for "things not going as well as he had expected".

4. SurelyWolfe

Your Supreme Overlord and Leader, His Exalted Holiness, Saviour of Towns, Destroyer of Wolves, King of all Wolfes, Master of All, Kim Jong-il's reincarnation (let's face it, Jong-un is weaksauce), and ShadoW Ruler of the People's Republic of TWG. Bow down, you heathen scum. Deus Vult.

5. danceflashrevo

Null, lean townish. He needs to post more, but his content in the FIVE posts he did make seemed to lean townish. He said he wasn't caught up, but he did comment on a few of us with what seemed like real thoughts, so that was decent. Not enough info to really come to a conclusion here though, so Null for now.

6. Charu

Town. Somehow managed to get himself the "Wolfe" role we were talking about in deadchat last game. Lynchproof+Bulletproof, only problem is he doesn't have the daychecks that would make him a real OP. I'm officially declaring him Serperior after game ends if he's town, or Servine if he flips wolf. Odds of him being wolf are extremely unlikely though. He has two or three days to get fully confirmed, because PR will be an idiot to not CC by then if he's lying.

7. Gradiant

Townish. Seems to be putting pressure in the right places, for the right things. Finding openings and creating discussion about them. I like to see this playstyle in town, but he has to be careful not to take it too far. A pressure vote is nice until you get emotional or carried away and start tunnelling. His post history verifies this behavior, but I can't help but shake the feeling he's trying to pocket me with all of the defending me against both Freez and Mellon. Either way, I'd say that while he might come off as abrasive to some, that abrasiveness seems to be intentional in order to get reactions, which further verifies my townlean on him.

8. FreezinIce

Null, still making up my mind, leaning wolfish. He seemed okay until he parked a vote on Gradiant for "being aggressive". Seems to not understand the concept of pressure votes (i.e. Gradiant, myself on him), then says that he's voting Gradiant to put pressure on him because nobody else wants to engage him. Unsure, because I haven't played with him before, but his posts also seem kind of hesitant. I've also mentioned this before, but when confronted about his early suspicion of Gradiant, he continued to insist that there was no suspicion, which also makes me see the weird hesitance/flipfloppiness that I often see in wolves. Still waiting on this one, though, could just be bad town I guess. Wish he had more recent games I could reference.

9. DaBackpack

Townish. He came in rather late, which is like his standard wolfmeta, but then started actually posting on-point critiques. Found Gradi/Freez to be TvT, which I agreed with at the time (before Freez started acting even stranger than before) and was mindmelding with him on the Precarious issue as well. I'm leaning town because I totally get where he's coming from (mindmeld) and his thoughts and articulation seems very genuine. Also, bonus points for starting a wagon (Precarious), and providing solid reasoning behind it. I'm liking him for now.

10. Precarious

Null, leaning townish. I thought I liked him, because I didn't think that he'd pull the same robotic meta twice in a row as wolf, but pushing Haku using typical Hakuposts, and the Charu slip made me reconsider. Upon re-reading, I found that, while I normally mindmeld with Precarious' posts (both the mechanic ones and his typical logic), I haven't really felt that way this game, with the exception of one post (#388). I don't like the vote on DBP, either. I had him as "Wolfish", but re-reading has made me feel a lot better in that he's consistent in his stated thoughts, his logic is actually not as bad as I remembered, and that his posts seemed more genuine than I first gave him credit for. That all led to his current null, bud I'd definitely like to hear more from him before EoD.

11. Roundbox

Null. He's like a distant relation that remembers to check in once in a blue moon to send the briefest letters and vanish. At 7 posts, but being up to date, he really needs to step up his game. At least the couple of shit he did say seemed to ring true in my mind, so I'll give him some town points for that.

12. Botchi246

Null. What the fuck ho, you're even worse than roundbox in posts. You've posted four posts total, and all of them have been shit. This is shitty. Step up your game and actually share some shit. You're dangerously close to being beaten out by AA in terms of posts, and he's the fucking moderator.

13. XelNya

Leaning townish. He's posting in the same bullshit style he often does, but his interactions seem genuine and he went out of his way to address a read request that I had abandoned entirely. Not sure of this one, but feeling good.

14. juckter1

Null, leaning wolfish. I liked his towngame last game, and this isn't it. His reads seem alright though, but he said things like "I've read stuff now" and "kay, time to be more active", and then didn't do much. Two reads lists with 3-4 people and hardly any meat to them, then says "I'm too bad to read outside of the people I've mentioned". Talks about ISOing freez and comes back with absolutely nothing, citing his shittiness as a player again. That seemed towny to me at first, because I feel like a wolf would just make some shit up, but then it also tells me he might not have even bothered to ISO anything, which would be wolfish.

15. mellonxcollie

Null, leaning townish. Tone sounds townie, but I haven't played with her before and the one interaction she's really had was about her finding my pressure vote weird. She gets bonus points for retracting a suspicion as soon as she reread, but that could go either way. I'm content with Nulling her for now, but I'd like to see more of her soon.[/quote]

So uhh, wrong, wrong, and wrongish about three of the reads here (just saying this as I’m isolating if they changed just ignore this). Anyone who puts themselves in a reads list (let alone sounds conceited as fuck) deserves a nice noose.

That’s all I really need at this point.

[ShadoWolfe]

Zenith what's the third "wrongish" in my first reads list? Know something I don't? As far as I can see, the flips we've got so far would prove two wrong. This looks like a slip, but you have so much other goodness going for you. Care to explain where the third one came from? Because I could certainly see you getting carried away with making a point of the wrongness of my reads and slipping an additional "wrong" in there based on knowledge that you have, but that the rest of us certainly don't...

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Zenith what's the third "wrongish" in my first reads list? Know something I don't? As far as I can see, the flips we've got so far would prove two wrong. This looks like a slip, but you have so much other goodness going for you. Care to explain where the third one came from? Because I could certainly see you getting carried away with making a point of the wrongness of my reads and slipping an additional "wrong" in there based on knowledge that you have, but that the rest of us certainly don't...

Ah, I see the error of my ways. I jumped the gun on the gradiant? read I believe.

[Charu]

Huh...

[_Zenith_]

Gradiant would be next but deddo. Being a first nightkill, the only thing I could really search in there is a possible focus he had and if framing could've happened.