TWG 150: Undertale

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

i don't have anything to add to the sans discussion other than general agreement with what's been posted. he's been either overly defensive or just rolling over and going back to shitposting when pressured, so i think he probably knows he's cornered. hoping I'm not wrong about this but I'm feeling pretty good about it

I can get the fact that you might agree with a lot of what had been posted, but how is this enough to shift you from calling sans townie to voting for sans and feeling "pretty good" about the vote, especially when you stated that you agreed with a lot of what had been said regarding Monster Kid but still had him in your null pile.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

im not yet sure how to feel about the whole "I've got info but I'll tell you when I feel like it" gambit but it's not nearly enough to push me into a wolf read for mk

[TWG Monster Kid]

My only wariness about the sans train right now is how easy it is. I know I blasted his ass into space but the amount of people hopping onto him like flies on a carcass is crazy

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Monster Kid

My only wariness about the sans train right now is how easy it is. I know I blasted his ass into space but the amount of people hopping onto him like flies on a carcass is crazy

I understand the wariness, but Tsunderplane summed it up somewhat just before, you have to ask yourself if the way that Sans has responded to the pressure makes sense if they're a monster (it shouldn't) or if they're a cornered human (it should).

[TWG Tsunderplane]

it's not like we have very many viable lynching targets at the moment and I can be swayed off of voting for him if a good argument is presented

I'd still very much like to see the people who haven't posted much weight in on things though

[TWG So Sorry]

Ill say this...if sans is a monster, there is def a human on that wagon.
If sans a human, there still could be a human on current wagon, but mostly monster.
Most definitely flaws in this but it could serve as a rough framework.
I agree the wagon looks ez like a $5 hooker

[TWG Alphys]

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

Ill say this...if sans is a monster, there is def a human on that wagon.
If sans a human, there still could be a human on current wagon, but mostly monster.
Most definitely flaws in this but it could serve as a rough framework.
I agree the wagon looks ez like a $5 hooker

"I don't want to post an opinion on Sans himself, here's a neutral post"

[TWG Alphys]

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

Whats wrong with those posts again?
Im literally just throwing out things that should have been on everyones mind anyways so that we can talk about it. I thought it was helpful. Hoping to spark a good discussion on the wagoners. Not trying to change the course of anything that is happening thus far.

Same reasoning for this post?
vvvvvvvv

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

Ill say this...if sans is a monster, there is def a human on that wagon.
If sans a human, there still could be a human on current wagon, but mostly monster.
Most definitely flaws in this but it could serve as a rough framework.
I agree the wagon looks ez like a $5 hooker

[TWG So Sorry]

Once again, what is wrong with that post? Flowey and alphys have both called attention to it, and im really not seeing the problem. Maybe cuz im skewed to my own ideas, which of course makes sense. If someone could explain their view without using my quoted posts to explain it, thatd be great. Or at least provide some useful insight. As far as thats concerned, the current remarks arent helping further anything. You guys are making me talk in circles

[TWG Napstablook]

Originally Posted by TWG Undyne

Yeah yeah, I wasn't advocating a lynch on him unless there wasn't a clear decisive target by the end of today. I'd rather see someone who isn't posting who has the potential to be a human go over someone who is at least generating content and driving discussion.

Originally Posted by TWG Undyne

The lack of spaghetti is weird. I can't imagine mouse giving it to an inactive, so chances are one of these things is going on:

1) Mouse is not in the game.
2) Mouse got roleblocked.
3) Mouse gave a human spaghetti and they are not admitting they got it.

I think you leave out a few scenarios:

4) Toriel was Mouse
5) Toriel got spaghetti

Originally Posted by TWG Alphys

Not when i made the vote, I said start of this phase I was in a rush because i lost track of time and voted kid to force a 3-way kitb

Ah yes you did indeed say that.

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

Once again, what is wrong with that post?

The only thing I'm seeing, and someone touched on this already, is that it's just you saying a lot of words without actually doing anything. It's easily looked at as a white noise post.

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

Once again, what is wrong with that post? Flowey and alphys have both called attention to it, and im really not seeing the problem. Maybe cuz im skewed to my own ideas, which of course makes sense. If someone could explain their view without using my quoted posts to explain it, thatd be great. Or at least provide some useful insight. As far as thats concerned, the current remarks arent helping further anything. You guys are making me talk in circles

don't like

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

Once again, what is wrong with that post? Flowey and alphys have both called attention to it, and im really not seeing the problem. Maybe cuz im skewed to my own ideas, which of course makes sense. If someone could explain their view without using my quoted posts to explain it, thatd be great. Or at least provide some useful insight. As far as thats concerned, the current remarks arent helping further anything. You guys are making me talk in circles

diplomatic

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

Ill say this...if sans is a monster, there is def a human on that wagon.
If sans a human, there still could be a human on current wagon, but mostly monster.
Most definitely flaws in this but it could serve as a rough framework.
I agree the wagon looks ez like a $5 hooker

this seems really arbitrary and doesn't help us reason about sans himself

[TWG Undyne]

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

Ill say this...if sans is a monster, there is def a human on that wagon.
If sans a human, there still could be a human on current wagon, but mostly monster.
Most definitely flaws in this but it could serve as a rough framework.
I agree the wagon looks ez like a $5 hooker

Lol.

[TWG Napstablook]

Originally Posted by TWG So Sorry

If sans a human, there still could be a human on current wagon, but mostly monster.

So this is post 534, I found the closest vote count prior to this post which was at post 494 - which I unfortunately cannot quote due to urls but was:

2 -- TWG Sans -- TWG Napstablook, TWG Mad Dummy
1 -- TWG Undyne -- TWG Mettaton
1 -- TWG Doggo -- TWG Tsunderplane
1 -- TWG Napstablook -- TWG Monster Kid
9 -- not voting -- TWG Alphys, TWG Doggo, TWG Flowey, TWG Muffet, TWG Papyrus, TWG Sans, TWG So Sorry, TWG Temmie, TWG Undyne

After this vote count, Muffet voted undyne, Alphys votes Sans, Temmie votes Sans, Plane votes Sans to make the count at the time of Sorry's post:

5 -- TWG Sans -- TWG Napstablook, TWG Mad Dummy, TWG Alphys, TWG Temmie, TWG Tsunderplane
2 -- TWG Undyne -- TWG Mettaton, TWG Muffet
1 -- TWG Napstablook -- TWG Monster Kid
9 -- not voting -- TWG Doggo, TWG Flowey, TWG Papyrus, TWG Sans, TWG So Sorry, TWG Undyne


The fact he said that most of the wagon on Sans is "mostly monster" if Sans were to be a human is really weirding me out because every single one of us is still alive.

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

it's not like we have very many viable lynching targets at the moment and I can be swayed off of voting for him if a good argument is presented

I'd still very much like to see the people who haven't posted much weight in on things though

wolf

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

(1) it's not like we have very many viable lynching targets at the moment and I can be swayed off of voting for him if a good argument is presented

(2) I'd still very much like to see the people who haven't posted much weight in on things though

(1) this was in response to pressure from So Sorry, and it seems really noncommittal

(2) deflects attention off of himself and on to inactives

that said I find So SOrry more sketchy, which is in contradiction with this very point

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Mettaton

(1) this was in response to pressure from So Sorry, and it seems really noncommittal

(2) deflects attention off of himself and on to inactives

that said I find So SOrry more sketchy, which is in contradiction with this very point

I wasn't super committed to sans at that point and I still wanted input from inactives since a random night kill is exactly what I'd expect from someone who either isnt around or doesn't give a shit

sans reacting to things pretty much precisely like a wolf who knows he's cornered and is trying not to out his partners has made me much more confident in my vote

I'll completely agree that there's probably a human on the wagon since it seems pretty likely to go through (or did, I've lost track of the votes) and as mentioned previously this does seem to be the in vogue wolf meta

before someone tries to get cute no I'm not human, I'm just confident that this is the correct lynch for today

[TWG Napstablook]

My question is how long do we let doggo stay in the game? In Hindsight he would've been a much better D0 than Asgore but discussing that is pointless now. I think if there's no consensus lynch by eod we should get rid of him given the possibility of the random kill theory.

Of course we could just let him potentially eat a modkill or something

[TWG Undyne]

Originally Posted by TWG Napstablook

My question is how long do we let doggo stay in the game? In Hindsight he would've been a much better D0 than Asgore but discussing that is pointless now. I think if there's no consensus lynch by eod we should get rid of him given the possibility of the random kill theory.

Of course we could just let him potentially eat a modkill or something