English 12 AP

[STD_Sappy]

Re: English 12 AP

if you're reading an MLA guideline on writing intro paragraphs then you're probably incapable of writing a good essay

No, actually, an MLA guideline is *made* for writing a good essay, silly.

I personally feel it puts a limit on the writer's potential, but it can also save another 'incapable' writer's ass when need be. So I have my mixed feelings.

[Litodude]

Re: English 12 AP

lol, high school writing.


WHAT DO YOU MEAN 2 STRONG PARAGRAPHS YOU INSOLENT LITTLE PIECE OF SCUM THE WHOLE DAMN ESSAY SHOULD BE STRONG AND CONTAIN NO PROSE WHATSOEVER GET OUT OF MY HALL

No, actually, an MLA guideline is *made* for writing a good essay, silly.

it was created to have grading standards for those that aren't comprehensively equipped...like i said before.

[STD_Sappy]

Re: English 12 AP

lol, high school writing.


WHAT DO YOU MEAN 2 STRONG PARAGRAPHS YOU INSOLENT LITTLE PIECE OF SCUM THE WHOLE DAMN ESSAY SHOULD BE STRONG AND CONTAIN NO PROSE WHATSOEVER GET OUT OF MY HALL




it was created to have grading standards for those that aren't comprehensively equipped...like i said before.

*like* oh wait, this isn't facebook

[devonin]

Re: English 12 AP

I prefer APA to MLA, but pretty much every highschool teacher in the humanities prefers MLA because it's easier to read and they are lazy.

Pretty much every university professor in the humanities though, required only that it be "properly and consistantly" cited and formatted. So really you could use whichever system you preferred.

[rushyrulz]

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I learned more history than english in English IV. But yeah, I stopped taking that crap in high school. I'm hucking forrible at English/History. I agree with devonin in that the thesis statement is the easiest part of the paper. You usually have it in your head before you even start writing.

[devonin]

Re: English 12 AP

I tell you, the general statement->specific statement method of introduction writing is foolproof!

[Mulie]

Re: English 12 AP

Trust Devonin; he has learnings.

I for one found university entry level General English to be moderately difficult. Skipped a couple of grades of it in high school and never payed attention in the rest, so when the time came to discuss the specific rules of English grammar it was like they were speaking in another language. In the end, I didn't learn much.

[D B Cooper]

Re: English 12 AP

important.... sports...art......music


geography...history...English...science=not so much

i'm an artist

you=not so much

[Eeumi]

Re: English 12 AP

Well in response to the whole MLA thing, my teacher tried explaining that those guidelines didn't meet the expectations of a strong concise AP 12 paper. She sais at best it would earn you a 6 which is basically a D. Justt wondering if anyone tried moving away from MLA.

[Iam90]

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that is flat out wrong lmao

almost no essay writing parameters will net you a bad score on their own - it's the skill (or lack thereof) of the writer operating under these parameters that will determine a good or bad score

[STD_Sappy]

Re: English 12 AP

Well in response to the whole MLA thing, my teacher tried explaining that those guidelines didn't meet the expectations of a strong concise AP 12 paper. She sais at best it would earn you a 6 which is basically a D. Justt wondering if anyone tried moving away from MLA.

that is flat out wrong lmao

almost no essay writing parameters will net you a bad score on their own - it's the skill (or lack thereof) of the writer operating under these parameters that will determine a good or bad score

I took SATs, in which I wrote in MLA format and scored a 10 out of 12 on the essay portion of it. (Would have done better but I was given 25 minutes as opposed to 35; yes, it does make a difference.)

I took a timed essay test in the beginning of the class and was told to use MLA format, and scored a perfect 12/12 on it. (was given 35 minutes for this one.)

Iam90 couldn't have said it better.

I don't know why anybody would waste their time constructing a guideline for an essay if it wasn't productive for the students? And on another point, what kind of ignorant teacher would say that anyone using MLA will be pre-judged and probably given a 'D' anyways just because the class is AP Lit 12? Sounds like a teacher that's under the tenure contract to me, or simply underestimates MLA. (I wouldn't blame a student, for instance, but a teacher? Come on.)

That's just what I'm getting out of what you're saying.

[Iam90]

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i applied no standard structures or no real "structure" per se at all to my SAT essay and got 12 (on the actual SAT, not a practice)

really, you can either write well or not; that's not to say it isn't possible to improve the quality of your writing but it's a skill that is MUCH more slowly learned than others, and generally, those who will score highly on the SAT essay have a more intuitive ability to write well than those who do not; same with the AP essays.

what i'm trying to say is that it's MUCH more beneficial to study for portions of the test that are more within your control; learn the pattern behind the college-board style of analyzing literature using rhetorical devices, etc

[Nyokou]

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important.... sports...art......music


geography...history...English...science=not so much

i'm an artist

you=not so much

Seriously man,

I will break your jaw.

[STD_Sappy]

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i applied no standard structures or no real "structure" per se at all to my SAT essay and got 12 (on the actual SAT, not a practice)

really, you can either write well or not; that's not to say it isn't possible to improve the quality of your writing but it's a skill that is MUCH more slowly learned than others, and generally, those who will score highly on the SAT essay have a more intuitive ability to write well than those who do not; same with the AP essays.

what i'm trying to say is that it's MUCH more beneficial to study for portions of the test that are more within your control; learn the pattern behind the college-board style of analyzing literature using rhetorical devices, etc

well, it was my first sit with no practice at all. i was pretty happy with the score i got, considering my planning time to writing time ratio was very bad. and also, if you're saying that taking an SAT reasoning test will determine how intuitive you are in terms of writing and/or reasoning, then you are very mistaken. that test is designed to basically see how far you can go before getting tricked. so i don't agree with you on that one.

a timed essay only reflects what you can do at an improvisational level (considering you don't know what the prompt is and have ~25 minutes to complete.) what if one can't work under pressure such as the pressures that the SAT is associated with, but at the same time, can write a very well written essay in a week, or even two? are you to assume that that writer is not intuitive because of these restrictions? just trying to see what you're getting at.

-sappy.

[sameoldbloodrush!]

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I'm in the class, my teacher is an absolute nazi and makes us write essays on the daily. Then makes us re-write them all. Multiple times. Haha..
Right now we're starting to read Jane Eyre 80 pages tonight woooooooooo..