TWG LXXXVII: Cloverfield POSTGAME!

[DarkManticoreX2]

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Personally I don't think it mattered that Iggy named me at the end of d1. I talked with Freaky after he subbed out, and he told me that they had wolved me because they knew the psychic report would show a dead wolf (Lito) and that would immediately clear me and Temote of our original suspicion. Since i was the one to go after Lito, that would have confirmed me as a human and freaky said it would have been a pain in the ass to take me out from that position.

So yeah i don't think Iggy's post mattered.

At the end there, man, I didn't really. If I had been around, I wouldn't have voted for a2p. You gave us NO reason to (other than "because I said so"), and others had pointed out that freaky dropping out was typical of him being green.

Freaky tries to sub out when it would be advantageous for him to look like a green. He's done it on multiple occasions when he's been a wolf. I woulda recommended freaky to be looked at later had i been alive, because he wasn't being his usual paranoid posting every three seconds self.

[iggymatrixcounter]

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Ok first off, yes I did say that the psychic lying was a bit of a mistake on my part.

And yes I agree that mentioning manti was a huge mistake as well.

But you were NOT the driving force behind emerald, bolth, OR lito.

For instance, you were the ONLY vote on emerald for most of day2. A lot of people had already voted so they did not believe you at all. In fact you and fiction both had two votes on you at the time. (And a lot of others had just 1 vote). I picked emerald and went to fiction and told him that he should vote for him, and that created the three way tie and then I put the third vote on him. And, to my knowledge, no one knew that that's how it went down. Plus I believe your words for that day's lynch was something like, "wtf you guys are stupid for letting a three way tie go down, good thing iggy was there to break the tie!"

And while you did vote for bolth day1, you switched your vote to lito after a lot of people had already voted for him. (if anyone was responsible for lito's death, it's proably temote and manti as their info led to the initial suspicion of him. I mean how many people would have even LOOKED at lito if they had not revealed that info about gun?)

And if you still thought bolth was a wolf, you were hiding it very well because you proceeded to railroad ruritsu after wards. I, on the other hand seered him that night because I thought he would have picked gun as his wolf target since they were both fighting about movies night1. And I do believe that you called my seering bolth, "a stupid idea to even pick him!"


afro, you are a good player. I truly believe that, but do not belittle everything I did as stupid or accident just because I just adhere to a different style and belief system for this game. We both have played games where we rocked and owned everyone so it's not like one of us has to prove anything to the other.

Think of it like one of us is tass and the other is talisman. Both awesome, both completely different.

[Afrobean]

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But you were NOT the driving force behind emerald, bolth, OR lito.

Never said I was the "driving force" behind bolth or lito. I only said that I was "uppity" about bolth and that I "got behind lito".

For instance, you were the ONLY vote on emerald for most of day2.

I'll stop you right there.

Think for a moment. If I hadn't hammered on emerald and subsequently voted for him, would you have ended up voting for him that day? Would fiction have? Would anyone have bothered to give emerald a second thought if I hadn't went ape**** all over him?

Plus I believe your words for that day's lynch was something like, "wtf you guys are stupid for letting a three way tie go down, good thing iggy was there to break the tie!"

That was partly my show (that was the post where I subtly hinted being blue), but yeah, it was foolish of THEM to allow that to happen, but the lynch went through anyway thanks to you saving me. It started with the seed of my hammering, and you followed through on it with your desire to save me and whoever from kib, and fiction's willingness to do as you said in that case finished it. It was the three of us really, but I don't think it would have happened if my first act hadn't preceded your two parts.

And while you did vote for bolth day1, you switched your vote to lito after a lot of people had already voted for him. (if anyone was responsible for lito's death, it's proably temote and manti as their info led to the initial suspicion of him. I mean how many people would have even LOOKED at lito if they had not revealed that info about gun?)

I didn't say I was responsible for it, just that I was on board with it, particularly at a crucial time: my vote on lito broke what would have been a kib between lito and manti. And my initial vote on bolth was meant as my final vote and I didn't expect to be there at end of day, but I ended up managing it and found manti at danger of dying and I knew lito was a better lynch option than manti. I really would have been totally content lynching bolth day one though.

Really, I was just like "huh what" when you named people who had been critical to getting wolves lynched but apparently didn't deem me worthy of any mention. By the end I can see where one might think my wolf-sniffing skills were faulty, but the endgame proved I was doing great early on.

And if you still thought bolth was a wolf, you were hiding it very well because you proceeded to railroad ruritsu after wards.

I set my mind on holding off of ruritsu at one point, and was looking forward to jumping all over bolth the next day, only to find he got vigi'd through the night. So I just reverted to my next best choice (even in spite of me thinking I'd probably be dead at that point if he were a wolf), and me re-reading the thread just incorrectly cemented me in this notion of ruritsu as a wolf. If I had known we only had one wolf left, I probably wouldn't have thought on ruritsu so hard, because I was working on the idea of ruritsu paired with viccica (which, frankly, you could have cleared up by just telling me to trust viccica). I guess you didn't have time to anyway though since that was the last day, huh.

I, on the other hand seered him that night because I thought he would have picked gun as his wolf target since they were both fighting about movies night1. And I do believe that you called my seering bolth, "a stupid idea to even pick him!"

Uh... yeah, it was a bad choice. We should have just lynched him regardless. Waste of a seering to seer someone who is already worthy of a lynch on their own.

Seering picks should be people who aren't anywhere near the lynch lineup. It's just lucky we were able to nail wolves in our lynches the first 3 days, and that paired with your seer/vigi made it possible for us to get all 4 in only 3 days. It worked here to expedite things, but overall general tactic, should be to just lynch players in situations like bolth and save seerings for less readable players.

afro, you are a good player. I truly believe that, but do not belittle everything I did as stupid or accident just because I just adhere to a different style and belief system for this game. We both have played games where we rocked and owned everyone so it's not like one of us has to prove anything to the other.

I didn't say anything to "belittle" you other than you lying about the psychic and naming manti and I. Oh, and your seer choices weren't the best in my opinion, but we ended up getting pulling out probably the fastest 4 wolf game ever. That's actually what I'm most amazed with I think. Even in spite of all the things I find faulted in this game, we still got through 4 wolves in 3 days. Ridiculous.

Think of it like one of us is tass and the other is talisman. Both awesome, both completely different.

I never liked Tass's playing style personally.

What did I do in the thread that "shouldn't be allowed"?
Just for clarification, not argumentative purposes.

Not post at all, save for a single post per day phase with zero content and a safety vote.

That's bull****.

How would you feel if all ~16 of us played like that? The day phase consisting of 10~15 safety votes and no discussion at all. You think the game would be very fun? I don't give a crap if you were chatting on aim to a single person behind the scenes. Posting in the way you did is unacceptable. Activity isn't just reading, it's not paying attention, it's not chatting, it's active engagement in the public discussion.

edit: huh? Roundbox's post is gone. Oh well, it's immortalized forever now in my post.

[Bolth mannn]

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lol iggy seered me cause I fought with gun about movies lol.

If i remember correctly, iggy, when you sent a PM asking me to go on AIM, that was after you had seered me...what exactly were you planning on saying to me?

[FictionJunction]

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I'm still pretty shook up about the whole ordeal.

I do want to clear my name though. As I've told others already, it wasn't my objective to get iggy lynched. That would have been stupid. Yes, I was angry and, yes, I wanted to be involved - especially after 'proving' my humanity through very unconventional means. In the end, the point was to segregate players into groups and see what others would do if they even considered iggy as a wolf. I mean, everyone I spoke with had a pretty standard response:
if not directly involved: no way .. could it be?! ****.
if directly involved: meh, I see your point but you should chill out.
if a wolf: .. change of topic. (I mean, a wolf would know that'd I'm not going to get anything accomplished and he would assume that enthusiastically hopping in would cast suspicion on himself)

I relied on iggy's public information and the little I could get from everyone else (which is why I tried avoiding A2P despite getting the latter response). I know I inconvenienced you, iggy, but I didn't really like you. Especially after cutting that "deal" with me. It just made me all the more suspicious and, frankly, was a deliberate give-away to your connection to arfo. I wasn't too surprised when he told me you seered him night 1. Just don't blame me for going vigilante - it's just what I do. I wasn't about to ruin your game just because there was a minuscule chance that gun was the seer.

I don't think the current playerbase has enough actors.

anyway, let's get the next game going asap.

[Viccica]

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Kay can we move to the next game now? :3

[iggymatrixcounter]

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lol iggy seered me cause I fought with gun about movies lol.

If i remember correctly, iggy, when you sent a PM asking me to go on AIM, that was after you had seered me...what exactly were you planning on saying to me?

I was going to ask you about your wolf suspects and who you thought was human and use that as reference material to see if you would have outted your wolf friends. Everyone has a certain way about throwing names around when they are a wolf and I wanted to see if you would have tried to save them or kill them.

But since you were MIA, I got nothing lol.

@afro: I loved how tass played XD. This really explains why we both argue every game during and after wards.

@fiction: Oh please you know you liked being manipulated to save your own life XDDD.

[A2P]

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also I wanted to say sorry if I came off as a dick fiction. I was trying to hide my wolf status -_-

[Litodude]

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Lol. Guys, I just want to add in now that's end of game that I'm really not mad or pissed off at anyone even if it sounds like I am or that I explain that I am. Part of the game ya kno? That statement also holds true for AIM conversations as well so don't take anything personally ya freaks.

In anycase, gg. **** you afro/fic for getting behind me - -. I knew it was a bad idea to share who I wanted to wolf with someone else pre-game, but I wasn't even paying full attention to my actions. Cool intuition and shiet.

[edubardus]

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the apathetic human route never works for wolves because humans have no reason to be apathetic about anything but getting lynched (unless they hold some sort of stake in the game). Wolves -always- have a stake in the game. Apathy shows that.

[Litodude]

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who are you you wern't even in the game

[Afrombean]

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edubardus = fictionjunction

Just in case no one knew.

the apathetic human route never works for wolves because humans have no reason to be apathetic about anything but getting lynched (unless they hold some sort of stake in the game). Wolves -always- have a stake in the game. Apathy shows that.

If you're referring to when he self-voted, yeah, definitely. It's rare that a human would find themselves in the emotional state where they would try that, and even if they ARE, it's still better to just go ahead with the lynch on them anyway. I learned this the first game I played as a wolf I think it was.

[FictionJunction]

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like I told iggy.. I didn't mind being in the kitb last game. I was green and had nothing going for me. A wolf wouldn't say that because even if he was a green and said it it wouldn't guarantee that he wouldn't be lynched.

It takes a little intuition to decide not to lynch the apathetic human.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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