And the new american idol of 2009 is.... - Page 2

**funmonkey54** · 03-3-2009, 07:08 PM

I never got into this show. It has very little to offer in my opinion. I can honestly say that I don't see any of the winners going big and staying big from this show. Some make it moderately far, but still. I don't see these people going anywhere.

Syhto · 03-3-2009, 07:11 PM

You don't see them going anywhere because they don't go anywhere, because they can't go anywhere, and if they do it isn't far and isn't for long. Am. Idol just rakes in the money while they can.

**robertsona** · 03-3-2009, 07:16 PM

kelly clarkson

OrganisM · 03-3-2009, 07:17 PM

And singing talent alone doesn't mean anything. Range and control are not hard to find within a popular music context. This is like a national karaoke bar. Being a performer, musician, and artist takes a lot more than a singing voice.

OrganisM · 03-3-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KgZ

beat me to it

Organism, obviously- you need charisma and stage presence.

Musical talent also kind of puts you over the top. All these American Idol winners end up manufactured and reinvented by record labels and producers. Just like most of these mainstream fags, the labels pull some retard off the street with passable looks and reasonable range, and they give them a record deal and essentially make the album for them.

I'm strongly against this record-selling ploy.

But then again, I'd be happy to see most of these record labels die out. Times are changing.

Syhto · 03-3-2009, 07:38 PM

Kelly Clarkson isn't really popular anymore.

The thing is, you can't just have a contest like American Idol and shove a person into the music industry like that. What makes people is the time, their look, personality, what people are looking for, and luck. You have to be in the right place at the right time, in the type of environment they're getting into. It doesn't just happen from having raw talent, regardless of what you all seem to think. Pop artists come and go, fads, etc. But American Idol is just a mockery of the actual process, which is just a total quagmire in itself.

**robertsona** · 03-3-2009, 07:39 PM

I can agree with this (with OrganisM).

They do change them, which is annoying.

Allmusic's review of Melinda Doolittle's album (awesome) sums it up for me:

"After doing a background check on Melinda Doolittle, during the early stages of American Idol's sixth season, something did not quite add up. Why would a singer so skilled, already something of a proven industry veteran -- with backing vocal credits on albums by Aaron Neville, CeCe Winans, Jonny Lang, and several others -- need to go through such a grueling process to get noticed and land a recording contract? As Doolittle continued to thrive on the show, that became more difficult to understand, and it also became increasingly evident that it might be best for her to not win the whole thing. With any luck, she'd fall just short of taking the prize, land on a sympathetic label, and team up with a professional producer who would tease out her strengths without worrying about platinum sales. And that, unexpectedly enough, is what happened."

**gafandriel** · 03-3-2009, 07:44 PM

i think i should probably start watching AA, haha.

**robertsona** · 03-3-2009, 07:45 PM

A...I?

OrganisM · 03-3-2009, 07:46 PM

The sad thing is the record labels are about making money, not about making great music or having a healthy industry. It's simply about profits. There are now new methods of distribution and marketing that don't involve major record labels. Snowcap and MySpace are prime examples, though obviously we're going to have to go a lot further than that. The good thing is that major players in the industry like NIN are pushing toward this direction, and with luck we'll have the artists at the forefront, dedicated toward making great music, and these marketing/distribution organizations will work for the good of the artists instead of simply for profit. That said, profit and appreciation of the art are most certainly not mutually exclusive. It's certainly possible to make just as much money while allowing healthy growth in the industry, but the record labels are stuck in their old ways, and it's about how to make money right now, use the industry for what it's worth, and get out with as much as they can. A sad state of affairs, but if the artists will fight back strong enough, they can all open new avenues. I hope to be joining their ranks shortly.

**gafandriel** · 03-3-2009, 07:48 PM

crapppp

yeah

AI

;P

OrganisM · 03-3-2009, 07:50 PM

No, AA works too.

**robertsona** · 03-3-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OrganisM

The sad thing is the record labels are about making money, not about making great music or having a healthy industry. It's simply about profits. There are now new methods of distribution and marketing that don't involve major record labels. Snowcap and MySpace are prime examples, though obviously we're going to have to go a lot further than that. The good thing is that major players in the industry like NIN are pushing toward this direction, and with luck we'll have the artists at the forefront, dedicated toward making great music, and these marketing/distribution organizations will work for the good of the artists instead of simply for profit. That said, profit and appreciation of the art are most certainly not mutually exclusive. It's certainly possible to make just as much money while allowing healthy growth in the industry, but the record labels are stuck in their old ways, and it's about how to make money right now, use the industry for what it's worth, and get out with as much as they can. A sad state of affairs, but if the artists will fight back strong enough, they can all open new avenues. I hope to be joining their ranks shortly.

everyone should pull a radiohead

**Bluearrowll** · 03-3-2009, 09:20 PM

norman gentle

Bangcrashboom · 03-3-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluearrowll

norman gentle

is amazing...

**eastsideman09** · 03-3-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OrganisM

No, AA works too.

American Asshole?

OrganisM · 03-3-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by robertsona

everyone should pull a radiohead

Yeah, though Radiohead kind of did that as a marketing gimmick rather than testing a new form of distribution. In that sense, NIN and Saul Williams are better examples.

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Originally Posted by eastsideman09

American Asshole?

Alcoholics Anonymous.

**x After Dawn x** · 03-3-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OrganisM

Alcoholics Anonymous.

America's Army.

OrganisM · 03-3-2009, 10:45 PM

Affirmative Action.

Sgtzombie. · 03-4-2009, 08:58 AM

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03-3-2009, 07:08 PM	#21
funmonkey54 The Chill Keeper Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,127	Re: And the new american idol of 2009 is.... I never got into this show. It has very little to offer in my opinion. I can honestly say that I don't see any of the winners going big and staying big from this show. Some make it moderately far, but still. I don't see these people going anywhere. __________________

03-3-2009, 07:16 PM	#23
robertsona missa in h-moll Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: nyc Age: 28 Posts: 3,995	Re: And the new american idol of 2009 is.... kelly clarkson __________________

03-3-2009, 07:17 PM	#24
OrganisM FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Nesoi, Olympus System Posts: 2,644	Re: And the new american idol of 2009 is.... And singing talent alone doesn't mean anything. Range and control are not hard to find within a popular music context. This is like a national karaoke bar. Being a performer, musician, and artist takes a lot more than a singing voice. __________________ . Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]: "If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee, because the venom gets into the blood stream which spreads bee DNA throughout your entire body... changing your genetic structure into a bee's. Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way." Originally Posted by MrRubix[link]: "Do you basically bukkake-paint your walls every time you jack it?" Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz[link]: "My pity-sex depreciates at a rate of 5% annually."

03-3-2009, 07:39 PM	#27
robertsona missa in h-moll Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: nyc Age: 28 Posts: 3,995	Re: And the new american idol of 2009 is.... I can agree with this (with OrganisM). They do change them, which is annoying. Allmusic's review of Melinda Doolittle's album (awesome) sums it up for me: "After doing a background check on Melinda Doolittle, during the early stages of American Idol's sixth season, something did not quite add up. Why would a singer so skilled, already something of a proven industry veteran -- with backing vocal credits on albums by Aaron Neville, CeCe Winans, Jonny Lang, and several others -- need to go through such a grueling process to get noticed and land a recording contract? As Doolittle continued to thrive on the show, that became more difficult to understand, and it also became increasingly evident that it might be best for her to not win the whole thing. With any luck, she'd fall just short of taking the prize, land on a sympathetic label, and team up with a professional producer who would tease out her strengths without worrying about platinum sales. And that, unexpectedly enough, is what happened." __________________

03-3-2009, 07:44 PM	#28
gafandriel All the world is at war Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Port ORchard Age: 34 Posts: 278	Re: And the new american idol of 2009 is.... i think i should probably start watching AA, haha.

03-3-2009, 07:45 PM	#29
robertsona missa in h-moll Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: nyc Age: 28 Posts: 3,995	Re: And the new american idol of 2009 is.... A...I? __________________

03-3-2009, 07:46 PM	#30
OrganisM FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Nesoi, Olympus System Posts: 2,644	Re: And the new american idol of 2009 is.... The sad thing is the record labels are about making money, not about making great music or having a healthy industry. It's simply about profits. There are now new methods of distribution and marketing that don't involve major record labels. Snowcap and MySpace are prime examples, though obviously we're going to have to go a lot further than that. The good thing is that major players in the industry like NIN are pushing toward this direction, and with luck we'll have the artists at the forefront, dedicated toward making great music, and these marketing/distribution organizations will work for the good of the artists instead of simply for profit. That said, profit and appreciation of the art are most certainly not mutually exclusive. It's certainly possible to make just as much money while allowing healthy growth in the industry, but the record labels are stuck in their old ways, and it's about how to make money right now, use the industry for what it's worth, and get out with as much as they can. A sad state of affairs, but if the artists will fight back strong enough, they can all open new avenues. I hope to be joining their ranks shortly. __________________ . Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]: "If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee, because the venom gets into the blood stream which spreads bee DNA throughout your entire body... changing your genetic structure into a bee's. Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way." Originally Posted by MrRubix[link]: "Do you basically bukkake-paint your walls every time you jack it?" Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz[link]: "My pity-sex depreciates at a rate of 5% annually."

03-3-2009, 07:48 PM	#31
gafandriel All the world is at war Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Port ORchard Age: 34 Posts: 278	Re: And the new american idol of 2009 is.... crapppp yeah AI ;P

03-3-2009, 07:50 PM	#32
OrganisM FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Nesoi, Olympus System Posts: 2,644	Re: And the new american idol of 2009 is.... No, AA works too. __________________ . Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]: "If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee, because the venom gets into the blood stream which spreads bee DNA throughout your entire body... changing your genetic structure into a bee's. Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way." Originally Posted by MrRubix[link]: "Do you basically bukkake-paint your walls every time you jack it?" Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz[link]: "My pity-sex depreciates at a rate of 5% annually."

03-3-2009, 09:20 PM	#34
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03-3-2009, 10:45 PM	#39
OrganisM FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Nesoi, Olympus System Posts: 2,644	Re: And the new american idol of 2009 is.... Affirmative Action. __________________ . Originally Posted by jewpinthethird[link]: "If you get stung by enough bees you turn into a bee, because the venom gets into the blood stream which spreads bee DNA throughout your entire body... changing your genetic structure into a bee's. Every year roughly 125 people in America are turned into bees this way." Originally Posted by MrRubix[link]: "Do you basically bukkake-paint your walls every time you jack it?" Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz[link]: "My pity-sex depreciates at a rate of 5% annually."

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