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The site is operating as if there are 10 salaried positions contributing to development and community coordination. But there aren't. Am I really the only person who sees the massive disconnect here?
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I very much regret those things but it's a relieving notion to see that with time comes possible redemption. /moving on to ffr growth/
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This is actually why I didn't post my reply to AJ's post about myself and the Skype group... haha. Somewhat relevant but not enough so to derail that direction.
I did dumb stuff, staff did dumb stuff, we all did dumb stuff. But behind all that dumb stuff I did want to help the site and felt like my contributions were being either ignored or downplayed to the point that I felt like I shouldn't really bother making suggestions anymore, which lead to my inactivity here ultimately.
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![]() so did anyone figure out what the point of the batch is yet or is it one of those things that's just done because that's how it's always been done and nobody stops to think about it despite it being ridiculously stupid and inefficient
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Would all of you really want lots of added stress that comes from a commercial operation with very little cash flow? We would need to see something on the level of about 3000 concurrent users to hit a cash flow level that would be respectable. |
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These things worked a lot better when we had someone like Tass who was paid, full-time, and committed to coordinating everything. This leaves two very obvious options to fix this: 1. Change how everything on the site works (as we can see, clearly a very difficult task) 2. Start paying people again.
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I tend to agree, although not in so many words. I don't fully understand why we think curation is so important.
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The above thread, the gold standard for obtaining permission, specifies "FFR is a free-to-play website and does not earn any money from these songs." Every permission I have gotten has used a variant of that email. Artists are agreeing with that condition in mind. I know I am not the only person who uses this form when contacting artists. If this isn't what you intended, then I can personally assure you, many of the files we have in the game are completely illegal. This is something you need to explain much more clearly. How do you want this site run? We used to have that.
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Curation is everything. This site is nothing without it's history and it's history helps it move forward. Beyond the value of identity, think about it from an SEO standpoint. There are 280,000+ links back to FFR right now in Google. Strong brand recognition. We have ever advantage in the world to springboard if we want to.
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![]() Zageron, and now Synth, have both asked the community what they would do differently if they were put in control of the site.
I have to reverse that question: The site is clearly declining in activity. People are unsatisfied. What would you do to make this site vibrant again? What is the vision from the top? Is there one at all?
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Not shutting down your turnaround, just my take on it. |
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Cheers, Synthlight (I keep forgetting to add this.. It's been awhile.) |
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![]() Like I said, I addressed all these things talking to OWA last night. I have a full business plan in mind for FFR. But I'm not the one who owns it.
I'm waiting to hear your perspective, because frankly, that's the only one that matters here.
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![]() When thinking revenue hi19 you should rather think compensation. Community input is the main incentive of a volunteer basis. If efforts pumped by and to the community don't feel rewarding in the first place, there won't be anything fueling it. It's that problem you want to avoid/can't effectively solve with revenue.
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I have already talked about ideas moving forward. The vision is simple and has not changed. It doesn't need to change. Preserve history, continue to involve the rhythm gaming community in general, transition the game onto a new platform, work with new artists, and provide leadership that speaks to the visitors of the site and the staff. These are things that worked really hard on from 2001 until about 2008 or 2009 and I don't think those goals have really wavered much. It's almost a mission statement. But it's not an all or nothing situation. When I say I have already talked about them, I have in this thread. Start with one thing, leadership. Expand from there. I am someone that believe that success is a symptom of passion and passion is contagious. Cheers, Synthlight Last edited by Synthlight; 08-22-2015 at 08:55 PM.. |
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The volunteer system seems to have collapsed. You can argue otherwise, but I'm just going to point at the current batch.
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Here's where we differ: I don't think volunteers from our current community are capable of providing the leadership you envision. Period. Who is going to be the leader(s)? Are you appointing someone? Or are you just waiting for it to all kinda fall into place on its own?
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![]() No I agree, but then it shows a need for reworking the workflow (i.e. batch procedures). Accordingly, it's entirely viable for effectives to run at a smaller scale and provide a smaller portion of the needs of the site.
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Good point. I am kind of here to discuss it and help lend a hand in figuring that out. I am providing what I know based on what has worked in the past but I also want input from others. I think it's important to discuss this all as openly as possible. So to answer your question: I have ideas bouncing around in my head but I want to figure this out as a group because it's important that everyone is on board.
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![]() (yes... double posting to let you guys know I am going to go watch a movie with my son and will be back afterwards.. I want to read every single response when I return. Also, everyone feel free to throw out ideas regardless of if they are thought through or not.)
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