What's a poor guy to do?

[Grandiagod]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

Hypothetical situation:

Hypothetical my hairy ass.

People don't like you. They flame you constantly, mock you in every concievable way, and go as far as to try and get their friends to turn on you. What these people are doing is against the law, whether it be rules laid down for a particular club, or perhaps real legal law. The enforces of the law turn their head the other way, until you finally start to react just how the original conspirators wanted you to. You are punished, they get off scott-free.

What do you do in such a situation? How do you make it right?

You stop being a big bitchy pussy. Has it ever occured to you that YOU are the reason no one likes you.

[Laharl]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

You know, my natural reaction would be to react in the same manner you're acting now, Grandiagod.

Instead, I'm just going to report you and hope the moderators actually do something about it. I have said nothing inflammatory in this post, and you're calling me a "big bitch pussy" for no reason.

Way to prove my point without me having to explain more.

[XXXsmittyXXX]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

Youll never get the ban on grandia

[Grandiagod]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

You know, my natural reaction would be to react in the same manner you're acting now, Grandiagod.

Instead, I'm just going to report you and hope the moderators actually do something about it. I have said nothing inflammatory in this post, and you're calling me a "big bitch pussy" for no reason.

Way to prove my point without me having to explain more.

Listen, this isn't a CT topic. This is a way for you to whine.

Stop pretending your'e so persecuted and just start acting like less of a idiot.

[emptiness]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

Ever thought about going on another forum where your opinions are held in high regard?

[Moogy]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

afro, the pms retards don't count and you know it

[Laharl]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

Listen, this isn't a CT topic. This is a way for you to whine.

Stop pretending your'e so persecuted and just start acting like less of a idiot.

So because it directly applies to my life, the entire topic somehow is no longer valid? What's the point of critical thinking if we can't apply it to our lives?

Then you just sound like coberst, talking about things which don't really matter and presenting information as if it was important.

[Grandiagod]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

So because it directly applies to my life, the entire topic somehow is no longer valid? What's the point of critical thinking if we can't apply it to our lives?

The point is you do not intend to apply it to yourself. You just want to say "HAY GUYS, LOOK I'M BEING PERSECUTED." If you really wanted a straigt anwser you wouldn't ask the people who were making fun of you.

[studmuffin51306]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

Im sorry if I'm going off topic, but I thought I should return to what was originally said.

I tend to be a doormat for others. In my situation, I would do nothing, accept the punishment, and hope that my lack of actions or argument would haunt their conscience at night. What more could you do?

[Cavernio]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

hehe, nice avatar emphasis laharl. Also, I agree with pretty much what's already been said. Suck it up. The best solution is to not let it bother you. Don't take things so seriously. I'm sure that's not what you want to hear though. If you want to stay, the best thing to do is ignore the past and ignore people/posts that piss you off. Arguing and bashing have 2 sides. If you ignore it, people will eventually stop.

kilga: One voice is never completely powerless, and if the impression the internet's given is that it makes everyone's voice powerless (do they magically have more power offline? Where there's less people to hear them?) then that's your own, tragic loss. Also, its sad that you think people do things only because they have legal or moral obligations to. Actually, I think listening to people IS a moral obligation you should have. And why do you ever say ANYTHING, from jokes to sports to work, if you don't want to get a point across?


ckj846: Wow, geez...I...don't even know where to begin with your post. Firstly, I disagree 100% that it isn't up to society to try and fix these problems. It's one of these things that society should/has forever been trying to improve. Your blanket statement means things like we shouldn't try and stop racism because 'that's life'. Yeah, that is life. Doesn't mean it can't be made better. Secondly, your next point, about going to see a psychologist about issues is contradictory to your first statement. Society has made the position of psychologist EXACTLY to deal with situations to make people happy. Whether you do it, or someone else does it, they're both part of society. Also, going to see a psychologist when you know exactly what the problem is and that if only something beyond your control were to stop, I don't think is adequate to see a psychologist over. Wow, Laharl is exhibiting signs that he wants attention. Damn right he wants attention. Wouldn't you want attention to the fact that people have treated you like ****? What on earth is so abnormal and problematic about that, that someone should go see a psychologist? You're also ignoring that this post was intended for a way to find a solution. Yeah, you're right, the only people qualified to give solutions to problems are psychologists. Gotta have that PhD to understand a person.
You say you're not bitching to us about your problems and that's a good thing. Are you saying you WANT to talk about them? I'm really not sure why not talking about your issues with someone is supposed to be beneficial. Oh that's right. You don't think that anyone else should have to listen to your problems. Well, if you don't want to be social, that's your own loss. And if you expect others to treat you the same, then you deserve the loneliness and the wall of pretenses you've probably put up. Plus, (huge thing here), I don't think your issues aren't stemming from your regular discourse on this site; Laharl's are. Your advice is that Laharl should go see a psychologist instead of confronting the people/forum that're causing the issue. That's some of the worst advice I've ever heard.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

kilga: One voice is never completely powerless

Unless it's on staff, if it opposes the voices of many others on an equal plane, then yes, it is.

(do they magically have more power offline? Where there's less people to hear them?)

Yes, because physical actions can be taken. Try staging a march or a sit-in on the Internet and see how far it gets you.

and if the impression the internet's given is that it makes everyone's voice powerless then that's your own, tragic loss.

You can't possibly be ignorant enough to think the opinions of a minority will outweigh the opinions of a majority when everyone involved is put on an equal level (which they are on the Internet unless one or more people involved are staff of the site).

Also, its sad that you think people do things only because they have legal or moral obligations to.

Why else would they, unless it's something just for kicks?

Actually, I think listening to people IS a moral obligation you should have.

That's nice. It's also merely an opinion (one I do not happen to share, at least not in all circumstances), and thus not any sort of evidence to back your claim.

And why do you ever say ANYTHING, from jokes to sports to work, if you don't want to get a point across?

In terms of what I do on the Internet? I do it because I get a kick out of it, and I'm fairly sure there are plenty of others who do as well.

[Cavernio]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

Getting a kick out of something would involve someone listening to you.

I'm not saying that minority voices outweigh majority voices. I'm saying that you've got a voice, and by thinking that that voice has no weight makes it that much less likely to carry any. Throwing away ideals because they can never fully work is terrible.

I thought we were talking about voices, opinions, not physical actions.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

We are.

I thought you would be smart enough that I wouldn't have to do this, but I guess I have to spell it out for you. Let's say a group of people on this website have voiced their opinions on some issue, with a clear majority and minority. Synth comes wandering along and happens to see it. One of three things will happen:

- Synth will have his own predetermined opinion on the issue and take action in accordance with that, because it's his website and he can do with it as he pleases. In this instance, everyone's voice is meaningless, and therefore powerless.
- Everything else is sufficiently the same that Synth doesn't have an opinion on the subject. In this case, he goes with the majority in the instance of maximizing public happiness, thereby making the opinions of the minority meaningless and their voices powerless.
- Synth doesn't care about the issue enough to make any sort of decision and leaves it to rot, rendering everyone's opinions meaningless and therefore their voices powerless.

In the best case scenario, your opinion counts only if you're a part of the majority, and this happens only once. If you're ever in the minority, you're sunk.

[Cavernio]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

So I guess things like minority rights have just always been there, that it wasn't because minorities made an issue about them and managed to 'win'.

I must say, I've gotta disagree with your 3 scenarios too. Firstly, you're putting Synth like a God in this place. Just because he runs it and is all-powerful, doesn't mean that he a) can't have his opinion about an issue changed by what someone else thinks, whether that person is in the minority or majority or b) that if he doesn't care, that makes it a failed topic or something. You're saying opinion only has power when it manages to reach THE power, in this case, Synth. But you only get this by thinking that an individual person is powerless to begin with. If you thought that managing to convince just anyone about something is power, then we wouldn't be disagreeing with each other. The only time that Synth has ANY bearing on issues like this is if he decides to use his authority. Synth isn't constantly patrolling forums and smiting evil. It seems like he's largely leaving the people on them to bicker as they see fit, thereby passing the power over to us.
Also, your earlier statement that you don't have to listen to someone if you don't want to, also reinforces your idea. If you don't listen to people, then there's no way the people you don't listen to will have any sort of power. Not listening takes away any power someone can have.

[Specforces]

Re: What's a poor guy to do?

Synth is god.