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the second amendment didn't predict mass shooters, and now look edit: i just want to clarify that i'm NOT SUPPORTING WHITE SUPREMACY i'm black. alright. alright clarification over
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actually i don't have a reddit account so can someone post those to r/enlightenedcentrism and we'll split the karma, thanks in advance
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But I don't agree that the law would be worded that way. Canada has laws against hate speech and incitement to violence, and I'm struggling to think of any time I've seen them misapplied. Last edited by devonin; 08-6-2019 at 09:26 PM.. |
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perhaps there is a way to pass a law that could crack down on white supremacist hate speech, but you have to be /very careful/ with the way you word it Quote:
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EDIT: I'm also pretty sure "hate speech" has a specific legal definition
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then you lack access to premade cakes, which is bad but you could still go to a store and make a cake, which is a relatively easily producible product OR buy another treat that tastes just as good to you, like a pie
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if hate speech has a specific definition then thats good and invalidates some of what ive been saying
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Something that hasn't been mentioned explicitly yet, but that I think about every time, is the way mass media treats perpetrators.
I imagine the heavy exposure probably is an added motive to commit violence to some extent, as an example from these events: do you think we'd all know of and/or read some manifesto posted by the El Paso murderer on 8chan if he wasn't a murderer? I'd imagine not; he'd be mocked or lauded in his corner of the internet, and the general public wouldn't even see it. Big media focuses so heavily on and gives so much attention to the perpetrators of crimes over victims and delves into who they were, I'm sure in some capacity it's perceived as a means to an end, a means to get their word out there to a huge national/international audience and perhaps incite others to their cause. As a slight tangent to the internet, I remember years ago seeing threads about body counts and high scores in regards to mass murders on 4chan and probably other places (in the era of the VA Tech shooter and Elliot Rodgers), which kind of ties back into curtailing spaces where people feel emboldened to make statements like that, not only racist and extremist takes but from a position otherwise detached from the repercussions (I guess) of social norms and expectations. A lot of spaces like that wind up lauding mass murderers for their activities and others still will have tumblrs or something dedicated to fetishizing mass murderers and writing creepy fanfiction about them. Even shit like Pumped Up Kicks kinda falls into this category. I'm not even sure where I'm going with this at this point, but I can say that it's getting a little bit better -- with this alone I've seen a lot less full naming and a lot more "El Paso and Dayton shootings" and "El Paso Shooter" than times in the past. I'm not trying to vilify the media either, I suppose I just come from stuff like this with a bad taste in my mouth a lot of the time. These people don't deserve the reward of attention for being murderers I guess is my point.
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Isn't The Daily Stormer (just a link to the Wikipedia article btw) a pretty good example of this? Lousy with hate speech, blacklisted from most places, exists primarily on TOR & the dark web now.
edit: nvm apparently they're back on regular www through some Chinese ISP, what a terrible discovery
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Svaz you're a fucking great poster
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We've had hate speech laws and there is a precedent for us |
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you would also have to prove that it has a robust record of doing good and had limited negative externalities
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My point is that hate speech does have a definition where I live
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Right, there's a legal definition for hate speech, but hate speech is still protected by the First Amendment
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so free speech is basically "if you have the ability and power to say whatever the fuck you want, then its fine and should be allowed", yet lets not even think about the people who are actually being targetted by this who literally can't use free speech to defend themselves, like lol |
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