TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

...shadowolfe has said something to this effect like 3 times this phase or something right

Twice, why?

Start of phase and again when I made that post to reference back to the initial, but fwiw I don't think the wording is accurate anymore

[Daikyi]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

Scenario A: MML got framed by wolves + roleblocked. Wolves are hoping he self-destruct because he's still alive to make town kill a PR for them. Wolves fucked up and assumed Xel was a PR for some reasons.

Scenario B: MML is wolfing and taking advantage of Xel's death/pretending to get roleblocked to not deal with his cop check.
His goal for the phase is to remain alive and get away with his claim because this setup can work in multiple ways. Gradiant could be a potential partner, but this can go either way. Having 2 wolves hiding behind a hard claim banner keeps poe fairly big.
Ulterior motive would be to survive last phase the previous phase and push the lynch on FFA.

That being said, I'm not getting the why for the Xel NK. Feels like a random chaos kill.


That's a strange choice of words.

On what basis are you saying that "he's convinced on lynching town" ?



That's double edged. A wolf could want to hypocop to find the real cop especially in a situation where all the wolves are alive. This setup can roll multiple cops too. There might be enough technical reasons for this.

Could go either way tbh because cops need to eventually leave posterity in case they get NK'd randomly.

this post also has an antori post quoted in between it

Originally Posted by Antori View Post
i dont see you pushing raeko at all you're really convinced on lynching town instead

and i went back and read the exchange at #1129, which we know is bogus af and holy fuck 20/20 hindsight this looks cringely manufactured as fuck. stuff like this interaction that was internal to haku+antori regarding raeko also feels so manufactured.

[Daikyi]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

Twice, why?

Start of phase and again when I made that post to reference back to the initial, but fwiw I don't think the wording is accurate anymore

i really don't think you're anywhere near the most universally town read, and really get the bad feelinge that you feel like you had to say it multiple times

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

votecount:
Haku (1)- Daikyi
unvote- Gradiant, Shado

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

*grabs popcorn*

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

I'm going to assume no one wants to talk to me this phase.

That being said, I have politically correct reasons to post 5 times this phase.

So, I'm going to do that.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

I'm going to do some stretches and push-ups.

I also suggest grabbing some water to stay hydrated.

Remember fam, stay healthy.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

Alright, I'm ready to sit back.

You guys can continue playing now.

[Gradiant]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

mellon, explain your 'aaaaaaa shit' reaction to roundbox switching votes to ffa after mml's cop claim and your immediate dropping of questioning haku's last 'reads' list after he told you he wasn't pairing you and shado when he most certainly was (you two were the two scum in his list of final reads)

bump

[Daikyi]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

sorry, I'm responding to the other stuff, but have seriously none of you guys seen the "aaaaaa shit, here we go again" GTA meme?

cause I was just quoting that meme

roundbox said "here we go again" so I said "aaaaaaaa shit"

it's that deep for that response

But for the rest of the situation basically I will go through this EOD again but I thought when Xel made a post that said "Lar is a wolf" that he was trying to counterclaim subtly without saying so, I was trying to figure out what was going on and having a difficult time. So I figured roundbox caught on to something I was missing, but the "aaaaaaaa shit" was just a meme

I really thought you guys would get that....

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ah-shit-here-we-go-again

bump

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[mellon_collie]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

i also very much dislike the "general statements" part of this analysis, because it's not a general statement. it's specifically directed towards the sentiment that's been expressed multiple times that the haku/antori/raeko team wouldn't be able to make strategic wolf plays. like, sure yeah it can be applied to many situations, however it has incredible relavancy when people are actively discarding teams because "no everyone on that team sucks too much".

It was specific to this game of course, but it's still something that could be said nearly every game, about most of the players. Also that was just one example, I would put most of the mechanical talk into "general statements" as well. Of course that was all specific to this game and this setup as well but the things you were talking about could have been said regardless of what other people were posting or who else was playing the game.

to all of the other points mentioned regarding not developing reads, sure i wasn't following the game as closely because work actively takes up so much of my time nowadays. also, the same can be said about your game tbh, where you've posted somehow even less than antori, who in my opinion had more thread presence and impact when they were alive. I didn't see any concrete pushes, I didn't see any attempts to push any narrative from your end, it was all very backseat nothing-doing, kind of like legitimatlely putting your best effort out to not stick out. "reads didn't seem very developed, he had a lot of null or sheeped reads" feels so wrong to even try and push on someone with, given that null reads do not indicate less development, and sheeped reads means that you have enough of a green read on someone else to trust their judgment regarding other players. In addition, I think i said only "i'm sheeping roundbox on raeko", and the rest of my reads have been pretty standalone.

I know that a lot of the same points apply to me, lmao, which sucks but it is what it is. I have been very busy the majority of this game too, something I don't really like bringing up because it's technically IRL. That one phase where Antori ended up dying, I did hang back intentionally because I felt like I didn't have much to add to the conversation and was more focused on trying to parse what everybody else had to say.

Null reads don't always mean undeveloped but usually you want some sort of explanation about why it ended up being null. Why you are having a tough time reading them, or maybe two points that you think mean different things which ends up with a net null read. But just saying "null" does seem pretty undeveloped

[Daikyi]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

and fwiw i dont think my reads list said null at all, but that i havent bothered to read specific players lmao

[mellon_collie]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

and fwiw i dont think my reads list said null at all, but that i havent bothered to read specific players lmao

I don't see much of a difference there? probably means they are null in your mind, at least hopefully unless you have some bias?

[Daikyi]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

or i have enough developed reads on other people where (again) i just dont try reading them at that point in the game unless absolutely necessary

[Daikyi]

Re: TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

basically youre saying that null means no read

in my mind, null is still where you have attempted to read someones actions, and have not been able to put them on either side of the wall.