If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

[Celirra]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

StOp BlAmInG hOrMoNeS aNd MeNtAl HeAlTh On PoOr BeHaViOuR

[Charu]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

Like you, I wouldn’t eat you, you can talk, and you can think on an intelligent level. If anything, I’d take you clothes shopping with me and we’d probably end of close friends (and not fake friends like the Florida furries were with me)

Right, because I'm a sentient being.

Birds are not sentient. Heck, some of 'em don't have the mental capabilities to feel what you think some animals feel in the same context.

[Charu]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

I don’t think I’m articulating myself very well…

Time for me to hide away and return when my patches decide to work…

I think you just have a misunderstanding on how animals actually work in the real world. It's definitely not sunshine and rainbows as the furry community would make you believe. The ecosystem exists for a reason and we so happen to be on the very top of the food chain since we're the only species on this planet that has shown to be sentient.

Believe me, if there were multiple different species on this planet that could talk, get jobs, make friends, ect like you and me, this would probably be a completely different topic.

[SKG_Scintill]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

darn

[Travis_Flesher]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

[QueenAshy]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

Right, because I'm a sentient being.

Birds are not sentient. Heck, some of 'em don't have the mental capabilities to feel what you think some animals feel in the same context.

Let’s just say I’ve had some experiences with very smart and very nice dogs. I know birds aren’t bright often, hence the insult “birdbrain”, no offense meant towards you btw.

I let this get wayyy too out of hand. I took a long nap, and I come back to shit I never th ought I would’ve typed. I’m confused. I feel like my life has become a modern day retelling of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Like fuck, I didn’t know fluctuations of this capacity could happen.

I’m for sure telling my provider about this so we can get this worked out, and I’m also trying to look for a job so I can get a therapist. I can’t live like this…

[Charu]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

Let’s just say I’ve had some experiences with very smart and very nice dogs. I know birds aren’t bright often, hence the insult “birdbrain”, no offense meant towards you btw.

I let this get wayyy too out of hand. I took a long nap, and I come back to shit I never th ought I would’ve typed. I’m confused. I feel like my life has become a modern day retelling of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Like fuck, I didn’t know fluctuations of this capacity could happen.

I’m for sure telling my provider about this so we can get this worked out, and I’m also trying to look for a job so I can get a therapist. I can’t live like this…

I don't mean to continue this, but seeing a dog act smart doesn't mean it's smart enough to make a decision.

Dogs have shown to show they can understand different objects and different meanings of said objects, yes.

Does it mean they're smart enough to think for themselves that's not directed by instinct?

...But anyways, enough about that. I hope you do feel better regardless of what was said.

[Wayward Vagabond]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

Let’s just say I’ve had some experiences with very smart and very nice dogs. I know birds aren’t bright often, hence the insult “birdbrain”, no offense meant towards you btw.

I let this get wayyy too out of hand. I took a long nap, and I come back to shit I never th ought I would’ve typed. I’m confused. I feel like my life has become a modern day retelling of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Like fuck, I didn’t know fluctuations of this capacity could happen.

I’m for sure telling my provider about this so we can get this worked out, and I’m also trying to look for a job so I can get a therapist. I can’t live like this…

Get a co2 detector

[QueenAshy]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

I don't mean to continue this, but seeing a dog act smart doesn't mean it's smart enough to make a decision.

Dogs have shown to show they can understand different objects and different meanings of said objects, yes.

Does it mean they're smart enough to think for themselves that's not directed by instinct?

...But anyways, enough about that. I hope you do feel better regardless of what was said.

I certainly hope that I feel better too, I WANT to improve. Just sometimes life makes it really hard with bad circumstances and such.

I think this is just about a good place to call this debate quits too, I’m getting stressed as well, and there’s not much point in continuing now

[QueenAshy]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

Get a co2 detector

There’s adequate co2, I can breathe

[Wayward Vagabond]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

Oops it's co not co2

[choof]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

I feel like my life has become a modern day retelling of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.

[Charu]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

Ayy...

I feel like that was me ages ago. I'm pretty nasty when I get angry, and I just don't like showing it.

[the sun fan]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

jesus christ on a cross
EDIT: I could've done it. I really, really could've made it until you said you were complicit with eating meat, but also compared butchering turkeys to the Holocaust. I really, really could've handled it up until then.

You experience reality on a different plane than everyone else, or something, Ashy. The lifespan of dogs is not a problem that needs to be addressed. For whatever fucking reason on this planet, they live as long as they do. Humans do not have an obligation to increase their lifespan, and if we attempted to, it would fail. Dogs are meant to live as long as they do, its very clear. I cannot explain this concept further.

I can understand not liking euthanasia. I respect someone who makes an educated reason for not liking it. I even think I understand why you don't like it.

But

Don't you ever fucking dare impose those beliefs on someone else. Don't you ever fucking dare post that kind of comment to someone that's lost an animal very dear to them that same day. I literally don't think you can comprehend what I'm saying but that was all kinds of fucked up. They loved them, they took care of them for many years, and they couldn't bear to see this animal that they loved suffer. Respect that decision, don't bitch about it on reddit. That person is not a murderer, nor is/are the vet(s) that euthanized that animal.

I debated writing a longer paragraph about my (limited) experience working with animals where there was no hope, I've decided to go a little shorter here; when there is no hope, euthanasia makes sense to me. Watching a frail animal that doesn't understand why it can no longer fly or so in pain that it cannot behave how it normally would; its sickening to see. Releasing an animal back into the world is exactly what you want it to be; a happy image where you shield yourself from the reality of the situation with the Shield of Ignorance giving you the bliss you want. Watching an animal die slowly is incredibly, incredibly selfish and the comfort you gain from keeping an animal you care about alive is nowhere near worth the suffering they go through. You said it yourself; turkeys have feelings too. They feel pain too.

The animal released into the wilderness will not enjoy being in the wilderness. Most domesticated animals are imprinted on humans, a few animals can make it, its not an important distinction, so I'll grant you that somehow, someway, these pets would normally be alright in the wild and aren't imprinted on humans.

They're still in pain and they're still dying. Think about what happens to sick and dying animals in the wilderness, eh? Do they live happy lives and enjoy the rest of their days? They are lucky to die a quick death. The cat/dog/whatever dying of cancer will, in addition to being sickly, frail and in pain, will also spend the short amount of life they have remaining terrified of this new environment, and will be killed very quickly.

All of this is forgivable.

And then you compared slaughtering turkeys to the holocaust based solely on number of animals killed lmao.

I guess I'm happy I can shake my head and laugh at that.

[QueenAshy]

Re: If humans could make dogs immortal, should we?

Ayy...

I feel like that was me ages ago. I'm pretty nasty when I get angry, and I just don't like showing it.

I’m scared now…

Please do not show me…