are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vague?

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

Respect in my thoughts is to be straight with one another and to not have selfish use of someone. Being respectful isn't always nice, especially when you have to put a friend in their place. "Being nice" is like "have your friends back, even if they're wrong" and i don't agree with that.

you have this completely backwards

the nicest thing you can do to a friend is to check them when they're wrong and this requires that you do not respect the flawed person that they are

that most people think "nice" means avoiding confrontation at any costs no matter the damage it causes to themselves or others is basically why what choof says is 100% correct

[komochii]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

i mean objectively yea people are worthless and 100% of people will hurt or disrespect others if its in their own best interests or personal gain, but like maybe if we pretend its not the case it wont be

[melonpapes]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

mean things

Don't bully celirra on the forums please

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

would you prefer i act more like him and just do it exclusively behind his back

[Travis_Flesher]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

If a person isn't automatically respectful to you, show them that you can be funny or unpredictable and they'll respect you.

[devonin]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

clearly, what is called "nice" or "respectful" varies from person to person, and something like "you should just be nice" is a moral simplification.

any sort of moral code, or rule, or law based on ideas like:

"just being nice" or the converse "don't be a jerk"

"being a decent person"

"respect others"

will be inherently vague, and open to large debate. people's values will change how they interpret these words -- someone who seeks feedback about their body and wants to be flattered will think you are being "mean" if you tell the truth, while someone who wants objective fedback will think lying to spare their feelings is deeply inconsiderate. the vagueness of "being nice" will cause problems later, as there is no common basis to interpret what being nice or respectful means.

So when you want to respect somebody, and they say "Please change this behavior you exhibited towards me, because I don't like it" the vagueness has been removed: You are now presented with a situation where somebody has made it clear that you are not "being nice" or "respecting" them.

Do you respect their ability to identify for themselves when they feel that way? Or will you only accept it if somebody can formulate an objective meaning for "be nice to me"?

Like...isn't it a pretty clearly understood concept in modern adult society that "Be nice to me" means "Don't do things you think will be mean, or things that, having done them once, you've been informed are not in fact nice"?

[melonpapes]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

would you prefer i act more like him and just do it exclusively behind his back

Yes

[choof]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

I'd rather have celery bully me than mina because celly boi has an extremely good voice

[blindreper1179]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

I'd rather have celery bully me than mina because celly boi has an extremely good voice

Can confirm

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

Yes

ouch ok with friends like u maybe celirra will realize constantly and exclusively talking shit behind everyone's back doesn't make him a good person

[melonpapes]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

ouch ok with friends like u maybe celirra will realize constantly and exclusively talking shit behind everyone's back doesn't make him a good person

you're right i always have his back

[Celirra]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

sometimes i think and try to figure out what i did to garner animosity from people
then i realize c'est la vie eh

[DaBackpack]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

clearly, what is called "nice" or "respectful" varies from person to person, and something like "you should just be nice" is a moral simplification.

any sort of moral code, or rule, or law based on ideas like:

"just being nice" or the converse "don't be a jerk"

"being a decent person"

"respect others"

will be inherently vague, and open to large debate. people's values will change how they interpret these words -- someone who seeks feedback about their body and wants to be flattered will think you are being "mean" if you tell the truth, while someone who wants objective fedback will think lying to spare their feelings is deeply inconsiderate. the vagueness of "being nice" will cause problems later, as there is no common basis to interpret what being nice or respectful means.

this is why analytic philosophy was a good idea

The aforementioned advice is always is context-dependent, and thus statements like "You should be nice to people" strictly speaking aren't actually statements because they have no truth value

This is why moral precepts are so hard to define

They are almost entirely interpretive instead of descriptive, but that doesn't make them useless -- they still largely serve as good heuristics for pro-social behavior.

The advice is just that: advice, not some declaration of proper moral behavior

[TheThong]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

Imo, a simple form of respect should be given to anyone, and whether or not it gets more reformed or lost is up to the person being given that respect.

Respect in my thoughts is to be straight with one another and to not have selfish use of someone. Being respectful isn't always nice, especially when you have to put a friend in their place. "Being nice" is like "have your friends back, even if they're wrong" and i don't agree with that.

I agree with this. I always treat people with respect initially (like I give everyone the benefit of the doubt), if they're gonna be an asshole - then I won't waste my time/energy on them.

I have this lady at work (who is in her 50's - not that age matters), that constantly runs around in circles and complains about how busy she is. So I'll give her a hand, and on multiple occasions she will yell at you and say, ' I didn't need your help, why are you young people so disrespectful and trying to take my job '. 🙄 I'm not sure how me helping you to be less stressed is me being disrespectful. 🤷

[Funnygurl555]

Re: are ideas such as "respect" or "being nice" mutually understood, or are they vagu

sometimes i think and try to figure out what i did to garner animosity from people
then i realize c'est la vie eh

it's probably 'cause your nickname is celery