TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

[roundbox]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

The give me something else because that's the summery of your day right there, pal.

Your hot take follows no logical reasoning and your explanation of why you made it makes little sense; oh I'm trying to like confuse you with mechanical possibilities of the game? That'll...do something I fucking guess? Like what?

If you wanna come at me then put in some work first and come at me this is sad.

While it's not the amount of "work" you might have wanted, it doesn't make "zero" logical sense. The way you're emphasizing how poor it is for the wolves to not have killed the IC paints you in a light that you're strongly disagreeing with wolf strategy, and would suggest that you would kill the IC if you were a wolf. This could be a construction to make you look town because the IC would be dead if you were a wolf according to your dissent.

who said I was voting for you anyway lmao

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

I'm down to put ben on the table for some "fun" tho

Oh if I see him pop in here and not say shit/try to respond to people asking him questions he can die.

If he never comes back, wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll I've seen Ben lynched for not coming back and flip town so I'm having PTSD over that.

[roundbox]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

debating over star's shot or non-shot doesn't solve us the game, can you stop talking about it holy shit

[roundbox]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

I'm gonna be with my parents most of the day so if I don't make enough posts to satisfy mml's ideal picture of me don't be surprised
I'll see what I can do before I have to head out

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

Was InD her first pick?

My theory doesn't hinged on her sheeping me so this is a moot point anyway. I'm just saying that she had time to read the thread and make a shot and if we wanted to read deeply into it said shot hints that there could have been thought into it based off reading---that it wouldn't necessarily be random. The idea that Funny was a random shot when there where votes within the 1 vote range of most voted and one of her strong towns suspected funny doesn't mesh if we assume that Star DID IT.



That could be a viable viewpoint for her to take. In our theory we know she chose Funny because Funny died. Unless she didn't shoot and wolves killed her.

But damn, there's that thing about wolves probably going FOR THE CLEAR FUCKING SLOT that makes me feel like we have a doctor/jailer/your role here and that someone else killed Funny so you know....

I have another question for yous

does this post matter

So, inDheart sounds strange to me on the first couple of pages, because the vibe I get from his messages goes back and forth from kind of lazy (only saying "second" in post #5, "okay I'm amused" in #20, "this is known", to very hyped and silly (joking that he does not believe Charu in #7, and using exclamation points in #14, and also him just making lots of posts). The apparent emotion there, seems kind of inconsistent, which makes me concerned that he was not being genuine.

When he comes back in at page 4, I do not really get what he was meaning by "feeling like a bad person" or "shitpost-hunting" and why the latter is weird (he does explain it to the sun fan later but I still do not get it). And I found it kind of awkward, that inDheart and the sun fan had strong opposite reactions to what was happening with Force and Funnygirl. It was still fairly jokey at the time and like they were maybe trying to test Force and Funnygirl, but from reading it I felt they had taken different 'sides' to it but were waiting on the others' reactions, not trying to get a feel from one another on it.

In #104 (pg. 6), inDheart makes his first lean of sorts, that sun fan and WV were awkward. Two things stood out to me about that. One is that when Pusheen was wanting to know what awk meant, inDheart posts a dictionary thing, which seems strangely aloof, and like he did not really want to talk more about it. (I am trying to decide if that is good or bad weird - it could be a town that can't really put words to it yet, or a mafia that is worried he will sound bad if he explains it). The other is that inDheart made a similar first theory when he was a mafia in the turbo I played with him, where he pointed out that two people seemed to be unaligned to him, but he did not explain why. In this game, he also zeroed in on an interaction between two people without giving further commentary. So from that, and him making lots of posts, I see him as having a more similar attitude at the start to when he was a mafia, than when he was my hydra partner.

I was unsure of sun fan's read on blind (pg. 6, #111), because I do not recall blind as a mafia trying to make friends with anybody or that being how sun fan tried to read blind in the first turbo I was playing with them. I was also unsure if he was being genuine in trying to make the game be more serious. His stream of consciousness about ben and inDheart (""cuz my shitpost radar wasn't getting pinged there AND cuz I'm not exactly sure why he felt the need to point that out? / idk / now that I've said this I'm not really sure where I'm going with this" (#117)) seemed drawn out. That and the side tangent about the hat, gave me the feeling that he may be being over the top, with trying to sound imaginative. But I do appreciate the direction he tried to move things in.

In #150 (pg. 8), inDheart said "pretty sure i'm winning the lynch right now though so i don't know with what authority i make this post," which seems like he is kind of defining his self-worth by how much people want to hang him, which seems like something mafia care more about than town.

I have some conflicting thoughts on #189 (pg. 10) from inDheart, where he says "well if he didn't disappear with just that we'd know for sure" to reuben about MML being vague. I feel like it makes more sense for a town to be annoyed about that, since mafia would not really care about that. Unless, it is just a tactic to try to make MML look shady. (I would think MML and inDheart would be less likely to both be mafias from that.)

I did like #211 (pg. 11) where inD talked about wanting to have more pressure votes. It gave me a warm feeling. But then I felt let down, when he noticed there were more messages, that there wasn't more pressure and questioning from him.


The above post from pg. 13 confused me, because the last sentence seems to conflict with the first sentence, in a mollifying way. Like he is confused, but still wants to drop the conversation. (Since Funnygirl was a town, I am not sure there is a specific reason for him to want to drop it as a mafia, but it still gave me a weird feeling.)

From sun fan (#248, pg. 13) I liked that he was worried about not having time to find the right person to hang. I remember feeling that way in the last game that I played. And I think the emotions in the next post, about MML being harsh with him, are a bit more likely to come out as town, because they seem...subtle/mixed, I guess, rather than more angry. My only worry with it, is I am not sure sun fan was actually trying to figure out if MML's unreasonable expectations are because MML is a mafia. But then in #251, he does say that he was thinking about that regarding MML, even if it did not come across to me.

But the more interesting part of #251 to me, is his lean that inD is a town "mostly for his solviness." I would like to know why sun fan thought inD was seeming particularly "solvey". Wineandbread (I forgot his name actually and had to look it up...), sun fan and MML, are the people that come to mind more for that. I do not feel most of what inD has posted, would be hard to come up with as a mafia, and if I am missing something with that I would like to know what. This lean concerns me particularly, because what I remember sun fan reading inD based on in my turbo with both of them, was whether inD seemed "like a man on a mission," and it sounds to me like sun fan's tactic for that changed. So I would like to know more about why he is looking for that with inD.

As a note, I do not feel like sun fan and inDheart continued to avoid each other throughout Day 0. Mainly inDheart at points, would talk about his thoughts on sun fan's thoughts.


This was from page 20. I did not really get what he meant by leverage. I don't like his comment about Pusheen, because it seems like a very passive (as in kind of manipulative, rather than actually invested in it or wanting to be more direct) way of discounting sun fan's feeling that Pusheen could be a town. sun fan had a whole ramble on the previous page, of how Pusheen seemed different, and inD focused on "agreeing" on an aspect of it that was actually seeming to go against sun fan's conclusion that Pusheen may be a town. So inD framed it as agreement, despite that 'agreement' basically implying that sun fan should give up his feeling. (Actually, I am having trouble seeing that as being from two mafias talking to each other, so I think I may have read into them not talking to each other at the start too much.) Especially since sun fan follows up with inD, asking to make sure inD gets sun fan's meaning, while inD seems to keep passively doubting WV (#394, pg. 20).

I feel a bit better about sun fan's posts around page 20 and 21. He mostly seems to be trying to figure out blind. I do not really know, why a mafia would have this reaction to somebody's vote:



Although, I actually just realized sun fan was sussing Wineandbread, when I have felt Wineandbread was really trying to figure things out. It was something to do with how Wine was voting, but I did not really get it. But I should probably explain my Wine lean, in another message. (Well, sun fan changed his mind on that, apparently? And changed his other leans that I thought were the most odd (inD and blind?))

I do kind of like at the start of today, inD being annoyed that nobody wanted to talk to him (438-439, pg. 22)


I am confused by the first part still.


dadv?

So...my thought from my first readthrough, was that at least one of sun fan and inD were likely a mafia. I was hoping that a town one of them would die in the night actually, because it would be easier to reevaluate if I was wrong then. But having gone back through it I am leaning more that it would not be both, and that I am sussing inD more.

indheart

I was focused on inDheart and the sun fan for this readthrough, but there were a few other things I noticed, that I will put in a separate post.

it does imo

time to blast inD after benguinerino no-posterino-pizza-dinner-butchered-joke-oh-me-no

Also star grade a post btw

While it's not the amount of "work" you might have wanted, it doesn't make "zero" logical sense. The way you're emphasizing how poor it is for the wolves to not have killed the IC paints you in a light that you're strongly disagreeing with wolf strategy, and would suggest that you would kill the IC if you were a wolf. This could be a construction to make you look town because the IC would be dead if you were a wolf according to your dissent.

who said I was voting for you anyway lmao

ROBLOX, HI.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

While it's not the amount of "work" you might have wanted, it doesn't make "zero" logical sense. The way you're emphasizing how poor it is for the wolves to not have killed the IC paints you in a light that you're strongly disagreeing with wolf strategy, and would suggest that you would kill the IC if you were a wolf. This could be a construction to make you look town because the IC would be dead if you were a wolf according to your dissent.

K. That means nothing because if I'm a wolf of course it is?
And if you're a wolf then everything you said is a construction as well?
And if Raeko's a wolf....actually bad example never mind
But point stands yeah I could be hamming it up to 11 but considering I've brought it up on my own like maybe twice (start of phases) and every other time is when I've been prompted you are vastly misusing the phrase "overemphasizing" to the point that this is weak. If I brought it up literally every other post maybe you'd have something.

But chances are really good if you point to me saying it I can point to the prompt on why I'm bringing it up again so you know, you can either try playing the game now or we can play that shtick for awhile. Your call.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

does this post matter

I mean, yeah?

I'll admit nothing there hints at a FG target and it is a pretty beefy post.

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

not caught up; does anyone remember star saying /anything/ about funnygurl?
I'll look if I have to

[roundbox]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

K. That means nothing because if I'm a wolf of course it is?
And if you're a wolf then everything you said is a construction as well?
And if Raeko's a wolf....actually bad example never mind
But point stands yeah I could be hamming it up to 11 but considering I've brought it up on my own like maybe twice (start of phases) and every other time is when I've been prompted you are vastly misusing the phrase "overemphasizing" to the point that this is weak. If I brought it up literally every other post maybe you'd have something.

But chances are really good if you point to me saying it I can point to the prompt on why I'm bringing it up again so you know, you can either try playing the game now or we can play that shtick for awhile. Your call.

if you want to stick with ideas of construction and try to apply it elsewhere, do so. throwing it out as example logic doesn't make my point fall apart.

also, what the fuck is your definition of playing the game? am I not here, posting? this phase ended up on a bad time for my activity levels so I'm doing as best as I can with what time I have. you shouldn't be so surprised that my reads are closer to surface level than mega analysis with the amount of time presented today. if you look at previous days I've done more analytical posting and now you want to lynch me for having a sub-par day because I'm short on time?

k

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

yeah ok

star saying that she wanted to wait until the night phase was over before looking at her scumreads of inD/myself solidifies in my mind that she did not shoot that night, probably either.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

if you look at previous days I've done more analytical posting

Taking a look, you broke down Star's post pretty alright and this back and forth I had to drag out of you is pretty beefy but then we see it wasn't that far back that you where just kind of ... not?

This post hinted that we had a new analytical style of yours incoming and that went no where, as did the push on ben and his "fishy" narrative. Or even that dig at me---you only came back to me when you wanted to shoot something my direction for bothering you it seems.

That post, then your Star post and right now are what stick out to me; you're Lar-Approved "highlights".

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[the sun fan]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

lar's kind of giving me a headache right now

the innocent child is not a PR. Its barely even a role. Wabby has this perfectly down; the wolves relatively know the setup and know how threatening the innocent child is to them and can act accordingly. Assuming there is at least one more letter rolled into the setup, the wolves have a relatively good idea of what the setup is regarding PR strength, and its not likely for them to be afraid of the innocent child considering... it doesn't really do anything.

Yes, I get what you're saying about reducing the number of confirmed towns by one. Its a good idea for wolves to EVENTUALLY do this. Early game, there is almost certainly (and wolves know how much they need to be afraid of this) bigger fish to fry.

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

gonna iso people now starting for least posts to most
will skip xel, gradiant and manti

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

Manti's ISO is extremely eh level play. His posts mean absolutely nothing to me, and his slot is just as null as when the game began. If it were someone other than Manti making those posts I might see them as suspicious but since it's him I will keep him at null.

This is a tremendous stretch but I /think/ I like that she iso'd Manti... or claimed to anyways

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

Let's talk about vibes

I think I like sunfan this game. I am getting those towny vibes. The questions he was posting to move the game forward seemed natural for that stage in the game. The way he has been posting just seems to flow naturally

I am getting spooky vibes from roundbox. I don't want to have unrealistic expectations from him about solving the game in some amazing fashion. but I have noticed a pattern of the past few times he rolled wolf, that "solving" mindset has been absent and he's seemed more detached from the game. If this attitude continues much longer, I will be thoroughly spooked.

I think I liked this post at first for the read on roundbox... these are why I wish she was posting more because this is very readable stuff imo