TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

[inDheart]

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Actually wait, MML said it, but he said it while still reaffirming his vote on Roundbox(?), and was less certain about it from how I remembered it (I think I got that from the second sentence).

he didn't have a vote by then

[star-crossed]

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i didn't explain it right then because i thought i'd started that with the "shitpost-hunting" post, and i was still trying to figure out what to do with my reads on them because it didn't feel like anything worth reading them on, but it still felt weird

The awk part makes more sense now that you explained it, thank you, but I am a bit confused still on the "shitpost-hunting" bit of it. Why did you think, it was not worth reading into? And why did that warrant you calling yourself a "bad person"?

i don't think people play with their food often when they're set on other people being wolves. i was fully expecting to not be taken seriously because i thought i was leading in serious votes by then

Umm...what does playing with food have to do with it? I am having trouble getting, why you would be concerned that much with that when it was still so early in the game. It is not like you had 6 people voting you or anything, or much reason to be thinking that their perception of you would be colored that much, if you are making good arguments. It makes more sense to me that somebody who is feeling 'caught out' may be more sensitive to that.

if you mean when i noticed more messages in the very next post because sunfan posted while i was writing, that made me feel good actually because it's exactly what i was calling for, so it's not like i was going to question him on that. he had enough of a reason for it even though wabby wasn't in the group i named

Umm, I meant more over the course of the next two pages. You did talk to funnygirl on the one subject, but I did not feel like you made that much effort to put more pressure on others after that despite expressing you wanted to have more power to be able to do that, if that makes sense.

the way i read his post, he wasn't giving a read on wv so much as saying that he's playing the game differently from one of his wolf games

i followed up with something about how wv can vary his game in general - if i recall correctly his first two town games were rather different, the second one he nearly outposted everyone and looked super towny

I can see why the stuff in the second paragraph, would be important for you to mention, if you are a town. But I am still hesitant, because of how you phrased it as "agreement" when it did not really make much sense in context as an agreement, even if you don't take it as sun fan giving a read on Pusheen. And it wasn't until a later follow-up that you explained more, on him having variant games. You basically just said that you expected he would act differently in a turbo than in this game.

i think job number one for the wolves in this game is to kill other players that are potential power roles, and so if they kill funnygurl thinking she has a special role it might also have the side effect of making mml look bad for pushing her yesterday

I am just not really relating to this thought process, but maybe it is because I am still trying to learn to think on the extra levels of hints and outhinking and such other people are on, regarding who the mafia will kill and who is a role.

abbreviation for dead air/dead villager, referring to how slow the game was during the end of yesterday and that probably means wolves are content with the lynch options

Huh, ok. Why do you think it looks bad for sun fan specifically, regarding that?

Now that I think about it, the "dead air dead villager" thing, fits with how our hydra game went. It was definitely the most boring, on D1 and after we died, I feel. But for this game, it was hard to get a sense of how dead it was, from reading everything all at once and not being there. So it is important to think about I think.

[star-crossed]

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he didn't have a vote by then

Ohhh, it just highlighted it in bold/red because I searched for "roundbox," I guess? They should pick a different highlight color.

[star-crossed]

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hit send too soon; that's a real read if I've ever seen one imo and she's prolly town for it if that was all that post was

"all that post was"?

If you are meaning what inDheart posted, it was this one

i don't really know who would award town points for that but yes let's not

pretty sure i'm winning the lynch right now though so i don't know with what authority i make this post

And I will look again after I sleep, at inD's read of funnygirl.

You seem kind of..amped, about my post, from how you followed my vote. Which I appreciate, I think, but I would like it if you would look over it more in the morning and give more specifics thoughts, especially to the other parts about you. It may be that you just didn't have time because you wanted to sleep, but I am a bit concerned, that your enthusiasm is because you are hoping to "pocket" me with it (I think that's what it was called?).

[inDheart]

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The awk part makes more sense now that you explained it, thank you, but I am a bit confused still on the "shitpost-hunting" bit of it. Why did you think, it was not worth reading into? And why did that warrant you calling yourself a "bad person"?

i had a vote on wv for most of the rest of the day and felt like other people weren't seeing whatever same thing i was seeing, after talking to sunfan, wabby and others about it. it's not like i dropped it right away

the entire "bad person" post is a bit of a meme (short video) because wv's serious response to what looked like a funny post from sunfan was strange to me

Umm...what does playing with food have to do with it? I am having trouble getting, why you would be concerned that much with that when it was still so early in the game. It is not like you had 6 people voting you or anything, or much reason to be thinking that their perception of you would be colored that much, if you are making good arguments. It makes more sense to me that somebody who is feeling 'caught out' may be more sensitive to that.

fair enough, i did feel like i was being voted for bad or nonexistent reasons though which probably contributed to the feeling i had

Umm, I meant more over the course of the next two pages. You did talk to funnygirl on the one subject, but I did not feel like you made that much effort to put more pressure on others after that despite expressing you wanted to have more power to be able to do that, if that makes sense.

i don't really have an explanation for this other than i had been hanging out in the city with people and was still a bit tipsy and on a train and not reading the thread diligently until later, even if i really was then

out of the people i named, manti and force didn't post at all, so i had nothing to read them on anyway

I can see why the stuff in the second paragraph, would be important for you to mention, if you are a town. But I am still hesitant, because of how you phrased it as "agreement" when it did not really make much sense in context as an agreement, even if you don't take it as sun fan giving a read on Pusheen. And it wasn't until a later follow-up that you explained more, on him having variant games. You basically just said that you expected he would act differently in a turbo than in this game.

eh, i still think there's something here, like here's sunfan's original post about it:

I will say that if WV is a wolf this game he is playing consciously different than the previous wolf game he played (last turbo) and I think its entirely possible but it is rather different imo

if it was in a like, townie way, then obviously I'd be a lot more ok with him but I think the reach here is that I'm aite with him just because he's not wolfier?

its a silly read that I think I'll use for this day phase only

so it's not like he has a high confidence townread on wv, but may not want to lynch him then

pretty much i got where he was coming from i think and that's what i thought i was agreeing with, but i guess it's true that i disagreed with his overall read

Huh, ok. Why do you think it looks bad for sun fan specifically, regarding that?

because he stayed on one of the main wagons seemingly to make wv not die more than because he believed wabby was a wolf, even though we were trying to work out compromises, so the lynch options weren't able to change much

[inDheart]

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"all that post was"?

If you are meaning what inDheart posted, it was this one



And I will look again after I sleep, at inD's read of funnygirl.

You seem kind of..amped, about my post, from how you followed my vote. Which I appreciate, I think, but I would like it if you would look over it more in the morning and give more specifics thoughts, especially to the other parts about you. It may be that you just didn't have time because you wanted to sleep, but I am a bit concerned, that your enthusiasm is because you are hoping to "pocket" me with it (I think that's what it was called?).

i think he means what you posted, like if "the part about inD talking about the votes on him relating to his self-worth" was all that was in your post it'd still be a good towny post

[MixMasterLar]

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STOPPING SHORT OF STAR'S BIG POST BECAUSE I MIGHT NEED TO DIP FOR AN HOUR



but will make some comments.


First, what pronound does Star-Cross use?

Second, I do not like Blind clearing Star so soon.

Third, Leaning Manti town because of lack of post is pretty pointless because I wolfed with him twice and getting him to post both times was hell


I instictly believe he is more likely to be wolf if he posted less then five times, as he hates D0 and has nothing to gain since he never seemed to care about blue hunting and he already knows who the wolves are. He seems like the kind of guy to think "welp, we're killing Gradiant because fucking of course we will and I'm just gonna skate because fuck d0"


As town, he still kind of needs to figure out the game so I feel he would have almost double the number of posts just by prodding people with one liners.

I don't even bother with Manti until D2, its literally pointless almost always. I just really pay attention to star because she makes longer coherent posts and you can feel the contemplating in her thoughts.
I would push forwards Raeko because she's Raeko and gets away with Raeko things and its no fun to watch anymore.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Star had like 1 or 2 post at this juncture? And passing star while excusing any thought of Manti seems convenient. Add the fact that his play has been lackluster+what I said about Manti and I feel like we might have a pair.

Ummm...so I am mostly done with a long post just on the subject of a couple of people, but I am scared no one will read it because it is so long.

I could put funny pictures in it or something, if it would help, I suppose.

Always do long post.

yeah fuck it he's out gotta post his way back in glgl

make raeko do things while I'm gone pls

Last post I read before dipping. I too want Raeko to talk more

[blindreper1179]

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I feel I have a good read on star, I've told sun this already.....

[blindreper1179]

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or tforce? Idk.

[MixMasterLar]

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Ok back and caught up.

[a big post in which Star makes a case against InD and votes him]

I both like the effort in this and think the case against InD is so much of a stretch I don't even know how to go about saying what I find wrong with it.

I think half the problem is that there's a bit of culture shock going on and Star has no fucking idea what InD is going on about (not getting references, understanding InD's early tone, etc), which is weird because if that's true then it would have to also be true with almost everyone in here myself included and that doesn't seem to be the case....not to the same extent.

I still have my tinfoil hate about Blind/Manti being a pair as hinted at in my previous post, but to be truthful I don't notice anything Star is doing that outright supports that theory.

inD had posted two reads that I thought were both original and unlikely to have been made up, one was on funnygurl and I don't remember the other. Most of his posts were short but to the point, and I felt like I liked most of what he was saying. Idk if I'd call him the most solvey player, but I def thought he was doing a lot of reading.

I like the post and I like the vote though. If I am wrong in my town circle, which is the feeling I've had, then I think inD would be a good place for me to look first.

inD

(someone should still make raeko do things though)

This is absolutely lazy. You vote someone you had as a town because the new kid makes the word's craziest stretch on them and it's "a good place to start"?

Dude what?

Even in your wolf games you've always had better progression then this. You don't even really agree with Star in that post yet still go with it.

In effect you are basically saying " well I thought he was town for X reasons, but ehhhh voting that shit now"

Actually wait, MML said it, but he said it while still reaffirming his vote on Roundbox(?), and was less certain about it from how I remembered it (I think I got that from the second sentence).

I never voted Roundbox.

You seem kind of..amped, about my post, from how you followed my vote. Which I appreciate, I think, but I would like it if you would look over it more in the morning and give more specifics thoughts, especially to the other parts about you. It may be that you just didn't have time because you wanted to sleep, but I am a bit concerned, that your enthusiasm is because you are hoping to "pocket" me with it (I think that's what it was called?).

It may just be the writing style but this seems way more passive then your case on InD; concerning since SunFan intentionally sheeping is much more tangible then any case you have made on InD.

[MixMasterLar]

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I feel I have a good read on star, I've told sun this already.....

Sorry (not actually sorry) but could you take me step by step and show me what you have seen + what experience you've had that gives you a good feeling about that read?

[MixMasterLar]

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Going to be going in and out someone respond to some stuff so I can get back to you

[blindreper1179]

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Sorry (not actually sorry) but could you take me step by step and show me what you have seen + what experience you've had that gives you a good feeling about that read?

I've played a full game, and a turbo with her, and in both instances, she played like this. Long posts. detailed, constructive. I don't believe she plays exactly the same way as a wolf. Sure, it's a meta call. but, whatever.

[roundbox]

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Sorry was playing Tekken. Someone challenged me and I had to say yes

I have no idea why wolves didn't go for IC. I guess I need to recheck OP and see what the chances of a third part are (IIRC there shouldn't be one tho): I can only imagine Gradiant got saved and third made the Funnygurl kill.

.....which in itself was pretty stupid. Like I'm not sure why you'd do that unless you where going totally random

I hate how much sense this actually makes, but I still disgree with it

Ok nevermind Vigi is very possible

So I am going to assume Vigi made a kill out of someone who had votes on them to not doublestack with wolves where would clearly be going for Gradiant. Not sure why they didn't go counterwagon in this case though.

Fah, that's about as useful as speculating will get us.

and thus we arrive to the conclusion I was trying to make yesterday:

it's useless chatter to speculate about something which we cannot confirm. V convinced me about this my first time playing this setup and every time I feel the want to T H E O R Y C R A F T I realize that my efforts are futile because it doesn't find wolves
like even if you did deduce the setup, how does that find you wolves? do you assume that someone is playing their doctor meta? their vigi meta? how far would this even get you?

the innocent child is one of the worst roles in TWG for town, I've seen many wolf teams and been on more than several myself where we go for other kills first

I think you're a bit too centered on wolves always killing what's in front of them

I also think trying to figure out what happened when we have only two VT flips and one night phase through is not only a bad idea and something that could potentially give wolves a better idea of who to kill (If they aren't interested in killing the IC), its something that should wait until later in the game when the roles have more information that is worth sharing imo

see this guy gets it

That's not that weird for him

See, if we're gonna call him a wolf I think the tell would be that he was 99% sure on WV for no fucking reason after doing no fucking working.

the first line here sucks because it's a complete case on meta and not on his intentions

the second line here is much better

[roundbox]

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In #150 (pg. 8), inDheart said "pretty sure i'm winning the lynch right now though so i don't know with what authority i make this post," which seems like he is kind of defining his self-worth by how much people want to hang him, which seems like something mafia care more about than town.

I have some conflicting thoughts on #189 (pg. 10) from inDheart, where he says "well if he didn't disappear with just that we'd know for sure" to reuben about MML being vague. I feel like it makes more sense for a town to be annoyed about that, since mafia would not really care about that. Unless, it is just a tactic to try to make MML look shady. (I would think MML and inDheart would be less likely to both be mafias from that.)

I agree with lots of your evaluations in your post, but I have a problem with this sort of logic because people have different definitions of what would be a scummier move than a townier move. I get upset at getting lynched all the time, so this first point definitely fell flat on me. You do fix it in the second point by looking at his possible intentions (shading MML), though.

and yes, feel free to post super long stuff! there are cool kids out there like me who read it