TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[Wayward Vagabond]

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all my opinions are hot fire

don't like the way mml keeps going after bling and vice versa
don't like the way dbp practically did the same thing twice at eod
tiloco feels more town
xiz leaning scum
can't say anything about manti because i'm not sure how to read him
freezin flipping town still has me rattled
celery leaning town
tokzic feeling more town after the flip

[Wayward Vagabond]

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soundwave is a wallflower except the flower is a dandelion

[MixMasterLar]

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Ok Til I try to go easy on blues but if you wanna go then let's fucking do it

@MML
You tell tokzic to make more detailed posts

OK so let's actually look at what I said:
"I think that he looks better all the same, but I also think the points made that got him wagon'd in the first place have merit. I voted for Tokzic at a point last EoD, afterall. I want to see what he brings today but if it's more two line post and little progression I won't defend him from being lynched."

So it looks like what I am saying here is that I think he looks more town but he was being scumread for a fucking reason that he needs to fix. Oh, and that's just the last half of my read on him.

So yeah, you don't know what you're talking about here.

Read on me was a reverse out. Read me town with the conditions for you to switch

Conditions to switch? Your claim is so easily fake it's fucking unreal and you have -nothing- to show for it.

The only thing that gives you credit is that there was one less kill tonight then last night. That's big enough for me to believe you since it looks likely you where targeted and saved, but that doesn't apply if we find out later that there wasn't two consistent killing forces.

So yes, if the one thing that makes me believe you is proven to be wrong, then I won't believe you. Holy shit man, you figured me out; you figured out how I think deduce shit. Bravo, jackass. I can't fucking believe I had to explain this to you.

As for me wanting you to do more, that's simply a matter of you not doing enough.

Blind was the most obvious out

This has been touched on already.

WV needs more content

Also something something he's doing stuff that I need to see if he'll finish and something something I was town reading Raeko but hey, fuck mentioning that huh?

[QUOTE=tiloco217;4552320]
DBP needs to bring the fire
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Also that he looks good for not one but two reasons (what reasons where they? READ THE FUCKING POST) and that he was off the table. So yeah, you're literally, variably fucking wrong.

Here, try reading it again:

Gonna try and reset some of these reads to an extent.

5) Celirra
Cel is honestly starting to enter white noise territory for me, but he does make some good points now and again. I must confess that his insistence on the idea that guardian is a role is unlikely strikes me like he knows more then he is letting on. Like knowing the gimmick(s) of the game more, perhaps?

I had a pretty positive impression of him but that one thing is urg.

8) Xiz
Xiz has made a few great points but he's still not posting like himself. He's upping his volume which is good.

9) Tokzic
Being counter to a wolf is normally something that slants you town, but the idea that because it was a vanilla wolf and wolves wanted to save the important one has merit if for no other reason then the fact that Xel didn't countervote, as others have pointed out.

I think that he looks better all the same, but I also think the points made that got him wagon'd in the first place have merit. I voted for Tokzic at a point last EoD, afterall. I want to see what he brings today but if it's more two line post and little progression I won't defend him from being lynched.

10) tiloco217
Claims to be a blue, his survivor would be fishy in any other game but lol mystery. Personally there is no reason not to believe him at this point unless he keeps magically surviving. Since he outed, dropping hints for town while protecting his character/details would be nice and I agree with whoever said that he needed to do more to help town--because if he doesn't then I'm going to think he's a lying wolf taking advantage of a setup where no one can counterclaim.
I mean he didn't even give a vague role type you know?

11) DarkManticoreX2
Votes are fishy as fuck. Post seem solid but votes are garbo.
Then again he did lynch a wolf last EoD which is more then some of us can claim so I don't wanna be hard on him. It's our first game so I hate to make assumptions but my understanding is that old school players dont normally bus (Charu notwithstanding).
I just think we need to keep an eye on him.

12) blindreper1179
Your game has been garbage, man. That said, you seem to be taking this phase much more seriously. Rather that's a town who's trying to rethink his game or a wolf who knows he can't get away with the shtick anymore is yet to be seen. My money's on the later but you said that you'll be serious effort in this phase after IRL matters. I'll give you your time and gauge you again before EoD.

13) Wayward Vagabond
Needs to up the content. Is in the middle of reading the thread and if he follows that up with some thoughtful commentary that'll be enough for me (Remember, he's taking Raeko's slot.)

14) DaBackPack
DPB keeps coming back like his town self but he hasn't been bringing that fire his town self has. He did do maximum effort at EoD when he realized that he misremembered the time the phase ended, and that looks good. He also voted Xel, and while he did it late I think all things considered it probably keeps him at town. I wanna see more of DPB ripping the game up but he's still kind of off the table for me.

16) Soundwave-

Hasn't posted today. Actually, this was his last post:

I don't think he has contributed much to the game overall, but he did vote Xel so that looks good.



And wait that isn't everybody? Isn't InD still in the game? InD looks super fucking clear from the votes alone. He's off the table as far as I am concerned.

So basically your entire post can be summed up in one picture:



It's a fucking stretch of unimaginable proportions

D0/N1, roundbox and/or haku kill, both of which make Tiloco look fairly bad.
D1 claim blue, N2 not killed by wolves.
It could very well be a case of trying to make you seem scummy by the wolves. That or you're just playing the "too wolfy to be considered a wolf" game, but... well, I have doubts that you're doing that.

You are literally suggesting that wolves saw a blue claim, something that at the time could have been anything, and said to themselves "Gee wouldn't it be funny if we left that guy alive and framed him? Hope he doesn't assrape us with a check or something tomorrow"?

I tried playing that scenario in my head and I'm pretty sure I broke something in my mind

also bullying is mean!!!

Is that why my parents don't talk to each other anymore?

That's fine but before tomorrow this time I'd like to see a full reads list from you.

Gee how original :eyeroll:

I'm pretty proud of my Xel iso

gonna see if I can do it again with blind and xiz

Gonna hold you to it.

that wording tho

i over slept and need to get ready for work. i'll continue reading when i can at work and making note of things and have something more meaningful to post in the morning

[MixMasterLar]

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I hit post before I responded to Wayward

Hey, bud you wanna tell me what's weird about it?

[DarkManticoreX2]

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soundwave is a wallflower except the flower is a dandelion

I love this post

[MixMasterLar]

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Also DarkManticore You lurk far more then you post and that's going to change if I have a say in it

[Wayward Vagabond]

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I hit post before I responded to Wayward

Hey, bud you wanna tell me what's weird about it?

>Xel confirmed wolf
>Saying our night kills instead of the night kills

[MixMasterLar]

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>Xel confirmed wolf
>Saying our night kills instead of the night kills

We have nightkills that happen that we have to deal with.
I mean I see your point but like that's honestly how I think of it most of the time. "Look what we have here" "Look at what we have to fucking deal with" Look at these night kills we have" etc.

So I mean, ok that's fair enough but in my head that sounds pretty natural.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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Tbh I have no interest in TWG tonight. I'll get something done tomorrow.

[tiloco217]

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At the risk of pissing you off more I still don't think you fixed the issue of almost every read having a clearly defined way to change it. However I think that if you were mafia you probably would have thrown some scum on me there and you really didn't. There probably isn't a point of arguing it anymore but I couldn't resist a last jab.

Also I disagree that confirmeds (and yes I know I am not quite that but whatever) should be controlling the town. Interactions with a confirmed mean nothing 90% of the time. Doesn't mean I should do nothing but it also doesn't mean I should be leading.

I don't think that last paragraph gets my point across well enough while rereading it so I'm going to give an example. My read on Xiz depends a lot on how he is reading people and why he is reading them that way. Being able to poke xiz frequently and seeing how he reacts was very helpful in developing that read. However a lot of that had to do with how his read on me was developing and now I have no way to gauge that. Even being only semi-confirmed he has no reason to evaluate me right now so I have no good way to judge interactions between me and him aside from tone which is also very different when talking to a confirmed.

[MixMasterLar]

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At the risk of pissing you off more I still don't think you fixed the issue of almost every read having a clearly defined way to change it.

Can't fix what isn't a fucking issue. Now if you want to continue this you better actually properly quote what I said and actually address it. Although I promise when you do you'll realie how silly you sound.

Also I disagree that confirmeds (and yes I know I am not quite that but whatever) should be controlling the town. Interactions with a confirmed mean nothing 90% of the time. Doesn't mean I should do nothing but it also doesn't mean I should be leading.

This is pretty damn wrong. Confirmeds are giving organic reads and their points can be trusted as pure. Not always right, but pure. This is actually huge because you have someone to bounce ideas off of without having to fucking question if they are manipulating you somehow.

I don't think that last paragraph gets my point across well enough while rereading it so I'm going to give an example. My read on Xiz depends a lot on how he is reading people and why he is reading them that way. Being able to poke xiz frequently and seeing how he reacts was very helpful in developing that read. However a lot of that had to do with how his read on me was developing and now I have no way to gauge that. Even being only semi-confirmed he has no reason to evaluate me right now so I have no good way to judge interactions between me and him aside from tone which is also very different when talking to a confirmed.

I think I understand less.....

[tiloco217]

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Sure the other towns have someone they know is town but I have no idea who is town and have a lot harder time getting reads on people. My reads are going to be developing significantly less because I am now missing a large portion of the game (interactions including or referencing myself). It's just as easy if not easier for mafia to take advantage of their being a confirmed in the game as it is for a town to take advantage of the help.

[tiloco217]

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I really don't think I'm explaining this very well but trust me there is a good point in there somewhere. I'll find a good way to explain it to you eventually

[MixMasterLar]

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Sure the other towns have someone they know is town but I have no idea who is town and have a lot harder time getting reads on people. My reads are going to be developing significantly less because I am now missing a large portion of the game (interactions including or referencing myself). It's just as easy if not easier for mafia to take advantage of their being a confirmed in the game as it is for a town to take advantage of the help.

Fucking how? Wolves always know who is town so nothing changes from their point of view. It's pure net positive.

Also this point about how you don't get anything out of it so it's not worth it to let the rest of town benefit is pretty dumb

Shit I don't even know how I got dragged in this convo I didn't ask you to leave I told you not to be so lazy

[MixMasterLar]

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Fucking

Lead* not leave