TWG Turbo IX: The Bells of St. Sebastian - Game Thread

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG Turbo IX: The Bells of St. Sebastian - Game Thread

blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this is making me tinfoil on shado

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG Turbo IX: The Bells of St. Sebastian - Game Thread

Prertty sure the last wolf is DBP

hasn't isoed the rest of the players

No, but I've been rereading the game while ISOing him. It's in the commentary. It took so long because figuring out the context for his posts included rereading most of D0 and almost all of D1.

I thought I'd end up reading him town because my recollection of his posts didn't have anything stick out and because I only thought he could be a wolf as AA's partner. After FG flipped, I basically tunneled on AA and thought my ISO on DBP and you would be both town, but rereading the game changed that.

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG Turbo IX: The Bells of St. Sebastian - Game Thread

like, here's the biggest thing about dbp that bothers me

he didn't vote at EOD

which is why I was scared of a kitb from fg

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG Turbo IX: The Bells of St. Sebastian - Game Thread

a big post about me, I'll address it when I'm done with this event

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG Turbo IX: The Bells of St. Sebastian - Game Thread

like, here's the biggest thing about dbp that bothers me

he didn't vote at EOD

which is why I was scared of a kitb from fg

yeah because Charu hadn't posted the reads list I asked him for

YoshL was the one who accidentally insta'd

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG Turbo IX: The Bells of St. Sebastian - Game Thread

because I really thought Charu was gonna die

[ShadoWolfe]

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I'm going to parrot this

you seem to have supplied a higher level of scrutiny to all other players in the game except for her

and for somebody who claims to have ISO'd her in the final hour of the phase, you have nothing besides a toneread to defend her from a lynch

I hadn't ISO'd her, had barely clicked a couple of posts before AA tried grilling me on everyone. We were 20 minutes to EoD and I figured my time was better spent responding to AA finishing an ISO that could take awhile.
I'm pretty sure I said that, and I never claimed to have done the ISO.
Also, on the toneread thing, tonereads are a huge part of how I play the game. I toneread YoshL town both D0 and D1, I toneread DFR scum, and tone is what made me question Gradiant's alignment D0.

Wouldn't you know I hadn't ISO'd her if you've actually read my posts?

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG Turbo IX: The Bells of St. Sebastian - Game Thread

iirc you said "I'm going to ISO her" and then "I haven't ISO'd her yet..."

indicating that you at least STARTED ISOing her

and all you had to say for that was "she feels genuine"

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG Turbo IX: The Bells of St. Sebastian - Game Thread

sorry, the second one is "I haven't finished ISOing her yet"

[ShadoWolfe]

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iirc you said "I'm going to ISO her" and then "I haven't ISO'd her yet..."

indicating that you at least STARTED ISOing her

and all you had to say for that was "she feels genuine"

Yes. I started ISOing her, got interrupted, saw a question about her, recalled a couple of her posts begging not to be lynched, thought that her tone seemed genuinely town even though begging itself is bullshit, and hurried to finish responding because there was no time. As it is, I finished the response at T-8mins (iirc), and voted my top scum.

You gonna address your D1 soft defense of her, suggesting not lynching either her or AA, and bringing me up out of nowhere after I was being scumread?

[DaBackpack]

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Yes. I started ISOing her, got interrupted, saw a question about her, recalled a couple of her posts begging not to be lynched, thought that her tone seemed genuinely town even though begging itself is bullshit, and hurried to finish responding because there was no time. As it is, I finished the response at T-8mins (iirc), and voted my top scum.

You gonna address your D1 soft defense of her, suggesting not lynching either her or AA, and bringing me up out of nowhere after I was being scumread?

Even if that's true, you can see why I find it sketchy as hell that you turned up mostly empty handed on funnygurl

and sure, I just logged out of my game

[YoshL]

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the difference here is that funnygurl was so much more pertinent to the previous night's lynch, and you couldn't offer up anything on funnygurl imo

[ShadoWolfe]

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Coolbeans, I look forward to your response.

Working on YoshL ISO rn.
I feel really bad for whichever towns are gonna be in F3 because this is a really hard game

[DaBackpack]

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DBP D0:

So, after his initial shitposts about snacks, planes, and eating YoshL, DBP really starts playing three hours 2.5 hours before EoD D0.

I doubt you want an explanation for this, but I took a nap after flying home for the winter


His very first serious post of the game is a half-shitposty support of YoshL's scumread of Freezin. He had voted YoshL earlier, so the apparent contradiction is a joke, but he makes a legitimate point about Freezin's list.

A few minutes later, he soft-defends Freezin, saying he likes that Freezin asked people to stop hating on his list because it signifies some kind of personal investment.
This is noteworthy only because Freezin died that nightphase and DBP spent much of the next day analyzing that same death.

Fair, but are you suggesting that I was reading Freezin as vigi? If not, why would I not pick Charu or YoshL, the stronger town reads I had at the time? (If I was wolf, I would have to be pretty sure of Charu as town, and he's typically pretty good at projecting town.

Additionally, Freezin was scumread by plenty of other people, so it would be pointless for me to kill him unless I had some other reason. He was a threat to FG? He was the vigi? The former isn't realistic and the latter is false because I have no clue how somebody could have read him vigi.

Tone for the next hour is relatively shitposty considering EoD D0


Calls out AA, seems natural still because he's the one being voted.
Stops posting after that for awhile, until AA says he's frozen. He respond with a hilarious video that ironically broke the ice.

First actual response to being called out as frozen:
Implying he felt no pressure because AA said he voted for pressure, then asks AA if his posts didn't feel genuine to him.

At this point, I'd have said "no, but there's no scumhunting in them, either"

He mentions he's not capable of reading Charu and hopes others can, finally responds to AA's push "the thing holding me back about AA is that the vote is so fucking stupid if he's a wolf trying to mislynch me that I can't imagine that's what's actually happening here

esp from AA"

Yes, I think stupid plays typically don't come from wolves, since they are much more attentive to their own behavior

--nothing major from DBP so far--


Defends Freezin and rereads him as town (despite his earlier suspicion) and mentions an intention of an eventual reread, which could be important, but I don't want to tinfoil here.

Sure, this looks bad for me, but see above

Calls out DFR for being obsessed with Freezin, then mentions he ISO'd DFR "there's a lot of question-asking/prodding, and then some defenses of other players, but not a whole lot of finding scums (outside of freezin)"

more shitposts



^ first "reads" of the day, noting for future reference.

Interestingly, YoshL calls him out for "constantly straying off to the side, rather than offering the hyperfocus scumhunter that town dbp usually is that i think i'm set"
DBP responds by asking if YoshL has read his earlier posts (which at this point seem like they were truly constantly straying off to the side)


^Regarding Freezin

[b]AA says "I don't like giving her a pass but I think she can be lynched tomorrow barring something good", DFR responds with



Seems town in retrospect.

Says AA is forcing a dichotomy



Soft-defends FG.
and again:



Then ends D0 with "I actually don't know what I want to do here" and a vote on DFR.

lynching inactives is generally a bad idea

the first post was me trying to get clarification from Freezin about a contradiction I thought I found

he wanted to lynch an inactive but his sig was about "not lynching inactives"

DBP D1:

Starts D1 with "Wasn't Charu scumreading freezin?" after Freezin's flip. That's a little suspicious because of how he switches his read of freezin the day before and because it was his instant response to the flip.

Defends Charu on the info lynch thing, noting that he doesn't "see what the utility of voting for you instead of Freezin was if he's a wolf", which is a good point.

Doesn't post for two hours, then "Keijo is the anime of the season". you're goddamn fucking right it is

Doesn't post for 4 more hours then "I don't have a lot to say at the moment"
"the choice seems to be converging to AA vs fg vs T-Force"

^General commentary, not alignment indicative, but it's interesting that AA and T-Force were perfectly capitalized and hyphenated but FG was left lowercase.

Are you fucking kidding me???????????????????

Says isos broken for him but he wants to revist freezin and then starts analyzing the kill again.
posts an analysis, then this gem:





more freezin stuff and mentions that AA's the best info kill.

More analysis on Freezin, mentioning that he would be threatening to an inactive (this is good)



^This focuses on funny almost exclusively, but then ends weirdly to me. It's kind of incongruent that the last sentence would follow the rest of the post.

This post is the most interesting:


Which reads like he's talking almost about himself. He "imagines the dynamics", and notes that whoever FGs partner is would have to imagine that fg is a sinking ship.

I don't know what else to say here, besides this is an incorrect reading

Does it not follow from my explicit train of thought?

Then, the very next post (on being prompted by AA for his opinion on wolves):



^I come up out of nowhere (after people, especially AA, had been vocal of their reads on me, and he begins to push FG harder)

that was from after catching up on the game's content

^reads like he's beginning to realize how much of his logic is based on Freezin, and wants to "hedge" his reads.

I want to stop here and seriously ask you if you think this is alignment indicative.

This is pissing me off and I don't want to call you stupid for using this, but I mean fucking seriously?

^possible misdirection or setting up foundation for his read of me (for not being present the first half of D0 and because AA was scumreading me for "inactivity")

"possible"

^here, he's addressing AA, which is seemingly contradictory to his earlier scumreads of "shadow/fg/maybe someone else".
It seems as though he saw AA was a top wagon with FG and wanted to establish a reason for voting him.

He follows up with:

and (after AA says no)



which seems as though he's doing as much as he can to prevent an FG lynch without actually defending her.

yeah, this puts me in a bad light, but in reality I was seriously worried that we had tunneled ourselves into a losing track

At this point FG is gaining a lot of heat from T-Force, and I think DBP is beginning to resolve to bus.


FG asks "how would *i* strike a blue"?

DBP's response is almost chill-inducingly wifom


this is an hour before EoD now

He says "what if the wolves are shadow and yoshl and we're just heating up our own crucible"
^could be more misdirection

bumps a few dead reads and posts without "attaching judgments"


^reads as though he's reconsidering his bus

I question AA's genuine-ness, he says he believes AA but it's near impossible to determine the truth of the statement I referenced.

then (after funny is put in L1):

and a little later


Which seems really ominous and reads as though he's already planning to gun for my lynch, considering AA's push and the pressure on me.

Yeah, because you fucking defended her with the worst fucking reasoning imaginable, why would I NOT think you were her partner at the time?

First post this day phase kind of confirms that (in the middle of me and AA scumreading each other):

"Seems really ominous"

When I have 2 townreads and we have 2 lynches, the game is pretty fucking solved in my eyes, isn't it?

Guys, I think the last wolf is DBP

..

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG Turbo IX: The Bells of St. Sebastian - Game Thread

So half of the fucking posts you quoted mean absolutely nothing for your case and feel like padding, and the majority of the others are possible readings with a particular lens (i.e. one where I'm a wolf), and I've provided the actual motivation behind those