TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

I'm fine with that.

I knew i would have an uphill battle this game, regardless of what role I subbed into, because of the complete lack of meta and familiarity, as well as replacing after a lynch.

I would have been surprised if I wasn't a scumread for most people.

I was just wondering.

Would you like to respond to my questions about why everyone else was able wagon/vote DFR, and you were not? and why you were okay with CFD'ing off of 'your mellon wagon'?

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

ya as a general rule, dont talk about the mod.

act like they don't exist and you'll be :thumb:

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

Also can we speculate why YoshL died over Pazzaz? Unless there was knowledge of his roleblocking power to the wolf crew, I don't see a major reason to pick YoshL over him.

@Pazzaz
Was your Day0 mute a result of your role or from one of DFR's arrows?

I've tried thinking of a reason why Pazzaz wouldn't die, but the only thing I can think of is that he wasn't universally believed in his claim.
YoshL, on the other hand, was universally town-read.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

I'm fine with that.

I knew i would have an uphill battle this game, regardless of what role I subbed into, because of the complete lack of meta and familiarity, as well as replacing after a lynch.

I would have been surprised if I wasn't a scumread for most people.

I was just wondering.

Would you like to respond to my questions about why everyone else was able wagon/vote DFR, and you were not? and why you were okay with CFD'ing off of 'your mellon wagon'?

(thought process: "what questions?! ohhhhhhh--)

what is our beautiful game without wifom?



and okay then?

so who do you think deserves credit for/should get essentially cleared for pushing on DFR/getting DFR lynched?

and how is it that everyone else had enough time to wagon DFR and DFR had enough time to formulate a claim and then claim before you posted that one post about Andy? And why was one post about 'items' enough to rip you off of your scumread mellon? especially since mellon had been, as you claim, 'your wagon'?

Roundbox looks really good coming out of EoD, and is the only player I'd "clear" based on DFR's wagon and lynch.

I'm not a very fast poster for the most part, but EoD I tend to use both my phone and my computer to make sure I'm caught up. If you look at the times, I posted twice about CFDing onto Andy (reasoning being his impossible roleclaim that he's since clarified) in one minute, and the whole DFR wagon happened in one minute the minute before.

It wasn't a post about "items" that ripped me off my wagon. Items are on, so a post about them is alright, but I thought itemsharing/gifting was explicitly off in the OP until I received a knife this morning and went "oh". I started the wagon on andy because I thought he was lying about his role, so he had to be scum, and guaranteed scum is better than possible scum, hence my CFD.



Also, if you have time to be asking me those questions, you have time to be reading D0 and D1. I think that'd be a more effective way to scumhunt than anything else atm.

Unless, of course, you're not really trying to scumhunt and are just wanting to be visible and push around a little bit to make it seem like you are.

[andy-o24]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

Okay. I don't know my win condition. But I am interpreting it as a town role and am trying to play it to benefit the town.

I have seven hours of class Tuesday, so I'm trying to make some kind of contribution before I go to bed. Probably won't see much from me the rest of the day.

Here's me spitballing (kinda WIFOM-tier)
dfr was wolf and was protecting me because I'm new and a bad player. Begs the question for me if that was the wolves strategy all along: take out the strong town players and even go so far as trying to protect the bad ones until late game. That doesn't seem to follow though as dfr was the only one explicitly trying to defend me from my recollection. That could suggest disorganized wolves, because if they fell in the inactive/low post slots they probably weren't theorizing how to approach the game. YoshL vote suggests there is at least one active wolf still making that call. If all were inactive, there would have been no kill that night, right? While YoshL is a kill that makes sense, especially based on d0, it seems maybe too obvious especially with roundbox's sleuthing as of late. That could suggest the replacements that had to skim the thread saw in the early game AA/YoshL as top towns and would choose the one still alive as their kill.

TL;DR: inactives/replacements are what I want to look into.

It wasn't a post about "items" that ripped me off my wagon. Items are on, so a post about them is alright, but I thought itemsharing/gifting was explicitly off in the OP until I received a knife this morning and went "oh".

It had its intended effect then, lol. I'm reading you town anyway, so I figured that would either make you believe me (and a nice item for the town to have) or you would immediately go with your gut and use the knife on me.

-o24

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

It had its intended effect then, lol. I'm reading you town anyway, so I figured that would either make you believe me (and a nice item for the town to have) or you would immediately go with your gut and use the knife on me.

-o24

Lol yeah I assumed that was your intention. Going with my gut would never have involved knifing you off the bat though, especially since the very reality of receiving a knife meant that I was wrong about gifting.

What was the effect of the item you gave YoshL?

[andy-o24]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

1-shot seer.

-o24

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

1-shot seer.

-o24

Wat.

You're saying you have a giftable item that allows the recipient to investigate a player of their choice? When can it be used? Is it a day-use item? That sounds really useful..

[andy-o24]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

I sent it to him night 1, he could use it night 2 and we would know the results this day if he used it and told us. Unfortunately he was killed and the item is not refunded, so it was wasted. I can no longer gift a 1-shot seer.

-o24

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

Okay, so I did some research on what a scum-aligned santa-type role would entail. Essentially, the scum-aligned equivalent is known as a "Fabricator".

Basically a fabricator can send a fake item to a player of their choice. When used, the fake item backfires on its recipient. So, if the knife that I currently possess is fake, I will end up stabbing myself.

At some point in this phase, I will announce that I'm ready to use this knife, and declare a target (input would be appreciate from the rest of town). I will not use this knife without first announcing it and declaring a target. At that point, if I were to die instead of my target, andy should obviously be lynched at the conclusion of this phase.

I doubt he's a fabricator (because he took responsibility for the gift), but I felt this had to be said since it is still a distinct possibility.

[andy-o24]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

I really need to go to bed though. I'll try and get a response out to any questions directed toward me before class. Keep it up, Shado.

And yeah, that totally makes sense.

-o24

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

I really need to go to bed though. I'll try and get a response out to any questions directed toward me before class. Keep it up, Shado.

And yeah, that totally makes sense.

-o24

You're good. Get some rest.

Thanks for clearing yourself :3

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

Hi Xel, Pazzaz.

I assume you'll each have some thoughts to share after reading up?

I mean, it's hard to imagine you wouldn't. There's the NK flip and a new face in thread.

[gold stinger]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

I think both andy & Shado are lock clear town after the latest interaction, at least until Shado does something with the knife. If knife doesn't backfire or something, then yeah it would make sense that andy would be wolf in this case. But at the same time, Mad Dummy says that usually the similar scum-aligned role usually only has 1 or 2 of those items, where andy says he's got 4.

I'm inclined to believe that Shado & andy are both town here, and andy just outed himself hardcore.

Both Precarious, and vendetta are being inactive as fuck and look super scummy as fuck that it's d2 and still neither of them have got a fucking reads list going for themselves.

I like both inDheart & wineandbread's reads and are both being super analytical of the game in nature, so I don't really think either of them are wolves, but one could be copying the other since they have both crazily similar read styles. I'd town-lean both of them for right now.

I honestly think my top scum read right now is Pazzaz. Some people have said earlier that his role is more often than not scum-aligned, he hasn't made all that good of counterarguments against AA dying, and still doesn't drop me some fucking critical information regarding his d0 thoughts, although he should have been bursting out the oiseau with them.

Will probably be reading over roundbox's and Xelnya's stuff today, although I will say that I feel a little bit better about roundbox after tonight's lynch.

[gold stinger]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

oh fuck I didn't use size 5 like I said I was going to rip my life