TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by inDheart

so. shado.

up to the point where you join the conversation i'd call gradiant/freez's discussion relatively mild. freez started in perhaps a little hot by telling him not to vote frivolously, but it's in character for gradiant to pick it up and be wary. i see interplay like this as even something to be expected given the impetus for it: a big flashing ATTN GRADIANT that may have come on stronger than expected. the quote that you even bothered to put in your signature accounts for this as well - the game got serious, players got serious, perhaps sooner than expected. okay, so they're keeping an eye on each other as a result. cool.

meanwhile, there are actually other things happening in the game. i know, incredible. for one, haku's around, and i've talked before about how freez seems not to know what to make of him. that's a bit odd given he's supposedly read a couple recent games. regardless, though, i'd call his posts here measured if he's taking a level view of the game. he indicated an intent to leave meta and extra-game factors out; i personally think those are rather telling for haku and something worth keeping in mind, but sure. meanwhile, these two posts are the last two in the exchange with gradiant before you enter.

this post you make is meant to be a ping on freez. but i have no idea what it's pinging. conversation-wise, freez doesn't seem to have anything to respond to - #170 and #171 were the end of that conversational path there, and by then lacked a gradiant follow-up. you've established, at least, that you didn't like where freez's side of the conversation was going.

this post is where the elaboration hits. no shit your ping didn't work, because who knows what it was for (i know when i get pinged, i'd like some idea of the reason behind it in that same post beyond "i don't like you"). so since you're so fond of false premises, i think the start of the progression you describe is ill-formed. first, you think of gradiant's vote as a "pressure vote". i would not call a one-vote wagon, early on the first day, with little of an articulated reason a "pressure vote". you call freez's action a "push", which i suppose is fair; he calls it a poke himself, but as we can see it didn't quite have the intended effect. we can quibble over the semantics of the middle part in there, as i think "all-out defense" is hyperbole, but oh well. but the end part - "hopping on the haku wagon", you say? it's hardly a wagon, with one vote, and freez wasn't adding to it. then you vote him. cool.

here's a freez response which i see as his defense. it has the effect of saying the narrative you're pushing is inaccurate. which you unvoted him for - after arguing over semantics some more. meanwhile, freez has accused you of literally making stuff up. so congratulations, you've misinformed to push on the obvious losing end of the game's biggest interaction thus far.

if you're so in the right here, why don't i see anyone sharing your narrative? it seems gradiant moved past it, looking at the attitudes that resulted from your conversation on the following day. mellon said your post was bad on a first pass and at best out of place.

why don't you come away from this discussion looking like a fool? because gradiant is awake and happens to like what you seemed to be doing (:S), and freez looked to be the loser of the initial argument anyway.

(in between here is where i wake up and talk about freez after the events of that night)

okay. earlier today backpack comes in and pokes at precarious. you second it, with a vote. nothing to add, either, besides corroborating meta observation. here's where you say you're "mindmelding" with backpack, and that's why i'm asking you about mindmelding. i think you're just running with what he had to say, because prior to this there is little signaling a similar sentiment from you, even though you have the post count and presence to have covered it. i said "hours later" because you could've tackled it way earlier, it just didn't happen to be salient to you until backpack said it could be.

so there you go, that's the main two things to bring up

zzz

Wait, was the point of this massive post, 90 minute ISO, and energy expended, all simply to tell me, "you look like a fool"? Because I see no mention of how any of this makes me look scummy..

Wow, talk about a wasted effort.