TWG Turbo V: No One Pretends to be the Seer Game Thread

[Precarious]

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Back. I'll try to get caught up quickly. As always, if anyone wants to abridge anything, it's appreciated.

[MixMasterLar]

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I keep glancing back and I notice the people making posts are not the same people who lurk

[Precarious]

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I keep glancing back and I notice the people making posts are not the same people who lurk

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say, but isn't that self-apparent? Aren't posting and lurking mutually exclusive anyway?

[Precarious]

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Like geez, you just rolled wolf last game and you're saying that. Why would you encourage a behavior that failed last time? (from a Town point of view)

It didn't fail last game. There wasn't enough game to evaluate the pros and cons of that approach, but if anything the conversation broke Arnt. If you want to attribute that specifically to DFR, fine, but an active thread is one that is forcing people to participate, and that's precisely where and how wolves get exposed.

Understand that one of the mafia communities I've played at in the past in Forum Games on Kongregate. This was the most recent game I participated in there. It was only six pages long, and two of those pages were nothing but "Sign" and "Confirm" posts. Despite the fact that I had a witch absolutely pinned, the other town players failed to even appear to vote, which blew the game. And I've actually seen worse inactivity there. Believe me when I say that whatever risks are entailed by an active thread (and I'll concede that it's irritating having to catch up when I'm afk for a few hours), an inactive game is universes worse.

If you'd prefer to dispense with some of the non-game posts (chatting about whatever), fine, your playstyle is obviously your own. But activity is the town's best weapon, particularly in a game with very limited night powers. Can that backfire? Of course. But the alternative is barely a game at all.

[AragakiAyase]

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Been away, will be able to post soon I hope

[Hakulyte]

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Shower taken check.
Dinner eaten check.
Win of the day in a game we don't care about check.
TWG reads, reset.
Ready to play? check.

It didn't fail last game. There wasn't enough game to evaluate the pros and cons of that approach, but if anything the conversation broke Arnt. If you want to attribute that specifically to DFR, fine, but an active thread is one that is forcing people to participate, and that's precisely where and how wolves get exposed.

Understand that one of the mafia communities I've played at in the past in Forum Games on Kongregate. This was the most recent game I participated in there. It was only six pages long, and two of those pages were nothing but "Sign" and "Confirm" posts. Despite the fact that I had a witch absolutely pinned, the other town players failed to even appear to vote, which blew the game. And I've actually seen worse inactivity there. Believe me when I say that whatever risks are entailed by an active thread (and I'll concede that it's irritating having to catch up when I'm afk for a few hours), an inactive game is universes worse.

If you'd prefer to dispense with some of the non-game posts (chatting about whatever), fine, your playstyle is obviously your own. But activity is the town's best weapon, particularly in a game with very limited night powers. Can that backfire? Of course. But the alternative is barely a game at all.

Good post. Good points. Strange game with vigi/witches, I don't have much to say about it tbh, because I don't think that would particularly be relevant to this game.

Let me reread this entire thread and make a long list of not really important events, but that catched my attention. Most of these are not going to be important, but it doesn't matter. It's probably still better than doing nothing.

[Precarious]

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Open unrelated question just for thinking purposes.



Why didn't we all follow the title? Is it really a bad strat to not pretend to be the Seer?

I don't think anyone took the title seriously. After the opposite title saw a game canceled, I viewed it as a tongue-in-cheek "let's not screw this up again" sort of thing.

The pros and cons of mass seer claiming have kind of been discussed, but the point is that if everyone posts a greencheck, it means the real one is out there (even if it's not usable yet), yet the wolves can't identify the seer. It also gives us something to talk about. Whether or not that's worth the drawbacks (trouble challenging pretend greenchecked people; the issue of how to evaluate the current greenchecks) is debatable, although I think (as I've said before) that this strat does more good than harm.

[juckter1]

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I might proved pretty relevant, I don't know yet.
I'd expect you to be pretty neutral to people who didn't check, but to view them favorable strikes me as odd.

I know the implication is that wolves could easily make a check and fall in line, but I've seen games where that simply didnt happen. Rather someone checked or not should not affect how you place them on the Scum-o-meter at this juncture.

This comes in late as fuck, but I'm pretty sure you misinterpreted what Shado posted.

[juckter1]

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Reading Shado's posts again they just seem agressive af and not really scumleaning

[AragakiAyase]

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I like how haku completely ignored where I asked him for reads

[juckter1]

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Yo, Precarious, do you have any reads right now?

[MixMasterLar]

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say, but isn't that self-apparent? Aren't posting and lurking mutually exclusive anyway?

Yes

I was hoping by pointing it out I could get Aryxi, James and Jucktal to post more. It....didnt work as well as I hoped.

It didn't fail last game. There wasn't enough game to evaluate the pros and cons of that approach, but if anything the conversation broke Arnt. If you want to attribute that specifically to DFR, fine, but an active thread is one that is forcing people to participate, and that's precisely where and how wolves get exposed.

Understand that one of the mafia communities I've played at in the past in Forum Games on Kongregate. This was the most recent game I participated in there. It was only six pages long, and two of those pages were nothing but "Sign" and "Confirm" posts. Despite the fact that I had a witch absolutely pinned, the other town players failed to even appear to vote, which blew the game. And I've actually seen worse inactivity there. Believe me when I say that whatever risks are entailed by an active thread (and I'll concede that it's irritating having to catch up when I'm afk for a few hours), an inactive game is universes worse.

If you'd prefer to dispense with some of the non-game posts (chatting about whatever), fine, your playstyle is obviously your own. But activity is the town's best weapon, particularly in a game with very limited night powers. Can that backfire? Of course. But the alternative is barely a game at all.

Really good post, guys. I doubt he rolled wolf this game.

This comes in late as fuck, but I'm pretty sure you misinterpreted what Shado posted.

I might have, but I don't believe I did.

[Hakulyte]

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I don't think anyone took the title seriously. After the opposite title saw a game canceled, I viewed it as a tongue-in-cheek "let's not screw this up again" sort of thing.

The pros and cons of mass seer claiming have kind of been discussed, but the point is that if everyone posts a greencheck, it means the real one is out there (even if it's not usable yet), yet the wolves can't identify the seer. It also gives us something to talk about. Whether or not that's worth the drawbacks (trouble challenging pretend greenchecked people; the issue of how to evaluate the current greenchecks) is debatable, although I think (as I've said before) that this strat does more good than harm.

Town wins:

- 1 True statement containing proof that 1 player is Vanilla Town.
- Something to talk about.

Wolf wins:

- 8 False statements containing wrong information that everyone is stuck caring about.
- Can start doing a PoE to find the real Seer.
- Can use the fake green check claims from the other Towns against them.
- Town players may assume things that aren't true.
- TvT are more likely to happen because Vanilla Town players posted a lie.
- Wolves may appear townier if their green check is playing like a green check.
- If the Seer doesn't die, it's possible we never really find out who was the green check.

etc. etc.

It's like a gambit, you give town a tempo with the new vanilla town proof, but you completely lose the upper hand strategically speaking.

[AragakiAyase]

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Yes

I was hoping by pointing it out I could get Aryxi, James and Jucktal to post more. It....didnt work as well as I hoped.



Really good post, guys. I doubt he rolled wolf this game.



I might have, but I don't believe I did.

is that sarcasm

[AragakiAyase]

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Town wins:

- 1 True statement containing proof that 1 player is Vanilla Town.
- Something to talk about.

Wolf wins:

- 8 False statements containing wrong information that everyone is stuck caring about.
- Can start doing a PoE to find the real Seer.
- Can use the fake green check claims from the other Towns against them.
- Town players may assume things that aren't true.
- TvT are more likely to happen because Vanilla Town players posted a lie.
- Wolves may appear townier if their green check is playing like a green check.
- If the Seer doesn't die, it's possible we never really find out who was the green check.

etc. etc.

It's like a gambit, you give town a tempo with the new vanilla town proof, but you completely lose the upper hand strategically speaking.

pretty much all your wolf wins rely on assumptions that really shouldn't be there

1st point: no one should actually use the extra checks to play their game. People who are faking their checks know their's are fake and really shouldn't be trying to find the seer (unless you're a wolf), therefore you shouldn't care about the other checks either.
2: ??? I fail to understand how it's any different if people don't say anything at all, because for all the wolves know the real seer hasn't said anything. and if everyone throws something out, then it's very similar to if no one says anything.
3: no one should actually take a fake green check itself as a reason to scumlean person. how someone interacted with said green check could be something, but it really depends
4: how is this any different from normal
5: ... it's a lie meant to help the real seer, do you understand this
because it seems like you don't, if you did then you'd realize that again, fake checks in this setup really shouldn't be a good reason to scumlean someone
6: ... again, people shouldn't be taking other people's checks seriously
7: the seer, could, you know. out? and if they didn't have people faking checks, then we'd never know anyway if the seer dies.


I really don't know what you're on