Sweeping anti-gay legislation soon to become law in North Carolina

[choof]

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oh i definitely acknowledge transgenders who think they are the other of the two genders. the only two in existence

two sexes exist. gender isn't binary.

[choof]

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isn't it sort of a moral issue when we allow possibly mentally ill people to willingly mutilate their bodies? Just a random thought

i don't think it's a moral issue to allow people with gender dysphoria to take actions that could help to solve their issues

[korny]

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two sexes exist. gender isn't binary.

where is the science to support this? serious question

i don't think it's a moral issue to allow people with gender dysphoria to take actions that could help to solve their issues

If the science is unclear and 40% of post op trans regret something that cannot be done how isn't it a moral issue? Until we can know more about this psychologically I think we should stay away from procedures that will potentially affect someone so negatively

[tosh]

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I'm curious where you're getting the 40% figure from, korny.

[korny]

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milo podcast i listened to this morning

[tosh]

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Okay and where did Milo get that number from? I have seen a 41% figure for attempted suicide within the entire transgender population thrown around, but have never seen a reassignment surgery regret figure anywhere close to 40%.

[korny]

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No clue. He may be a troll but spreading misinformation isn't really his style so i feel inclined to take his word for it until I can see him be inconsistent at all in that regard

[tosh]

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I'm not saying he's willfully spreading misinformation, but I would be shocked if he's not misinterpreting existing figures. A Blanchard et al. 1989 study puts the figure at about 3.6% (4 out of 111). A Landen, Walinder, Hambert, & Lundstrom 1998 study puts it at 6% (13 out of 218).

Either way, it's not an area that has a large amount of research devoted specifically to it because the only people you hear that are vocal about their surgical regret are idiots like Walt Heyer. People who are satisfied with their results just go on about their lives.

Edit: I literally can't find this magical 40% study anywhere.

[Contrapasso]

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yea I was gonna pop in and say to relisten and check out context
40% is a huuuuge percentage and I think common sense would say that if there were that many transgendered persons dissatisfied with surgery, a shitton of peoplewould be talking about it

[Contrapasso]

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whatever the fuck "common sense" means in this day and age

[lurker]

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i don't think i've seen anyone say "common sense is a social construct" and with how identity politics/"regressive liberalism" constantly adds more "exceptions to the rules" to be aware of it seems dishonest

[Rojaf]

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where is the science to support this? serious question

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tannehill/myths-about-transition-regrets_b_6160626.html

there's a bunch linked in here

[MixMasterLar]

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LMAO No one is denying bathroom use. Deny is too strong a word for it. "trying to get people to follow long established rules so women and children feel safer when vulnerable" is what you guys should be calling it. Forgive me if I don't see the big deal in asking someone to use toilet X instead of toilet Y especially since I've been doing it my entire life


THAT SAID THOUGH, if it where up to me I would just change public restrooms to be denoted by age instead of sex. Kids over there, Adults over here. I frankly don't give a shit who I share it with as long as you stay in your stall and I stay in mine. Feminist will throw a goddamn shitfit but I think we have already decided to side with LGBT in case of such a faceoff.

[choof]

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i don't think i've seen anyone say "common sense is a social construct" and with how identity politics/"regressive liberalism" constantly adds more "exceptions to the rules" to be aware of it seems dishonest

what i'm saying is that with so many sad/mad/glad brains in the world today, "common sense" is a stupid phrase and i'm using it behind a veil of irony

[choof]

Re: Sweeping anti-gay legislation soon to become law in North Carolina

LMAO No one is denying bathroom use. Deny is too strong a word for it. "trying to get people to follow long established rules so women and children feel safer when vulnerable" is what you guys should be calling it. Forgive me if I don't see the big deal in asking someone to use toilet X instead of toilet Y especially since I've been doing it my entire life


THAT SAID THOUGH, if it where up to me I would just change public restrooms to be denoted by age instead of sex. Kids over there, Adults over here. I frankly don't give a shit who I share it with as long as you stay in your stall and I stay in mine. Feminist will throw a goddamn shitfit but I think we have already decided to side with LGBT in case of such a faceoff.

i want a crane to fall on my dick because of this post