"Ranking Degredation" for song scores

[Charu]

Re: "Ranking Degredation" for song scores

What seems to be going on here, good sirs?

Oh, I skimmed that mina post.

If it's that, then yeah. Naw, if you were D6 or whatever before, then you'll stay D6, no exceptions, why is it hard for players to understand this, lmao.

[Xiz]

Re: "Ranking Degredation" for song scores

Uh oh run it's the fun police

[YoshL]

Re: "Ranking Degredation" for song scores

holy


shit

[ilikexd]

Re: "Ranking Degredation" for song scores

Ranking degeneration more like sandbag regeneration

thread over already

[Hakulyte]

Re: "Ranking Degredation" for song scores

The cons outweight the pros for Ranking Degradation sadly.

Making a complex Divisionless Tournament with layers of prize distribution/rewards and multiple insensitives for making players compete against each others looks like a more reasonable approach for creating a competitive environment that's as fair as possible.

..but that's probably off-topic as OP is more trying to do something about players for compensating peak scores which shouldn't be something that should be a problem.

I feel like the rank it shows on your profile is supposed to be reflective of how good you currently are and not your peak rank,

Well, the problem here is that FFR only keep your best scores, it cannot calculate and tell how hard you've been struggling to achieve certain scores therefore it's difficult to create a measure that calculates how good you are doing currently.

You would need an entire system dedicated at consistently checking how good you currently are based on some benchmark. Something like seasons where you play key songs would make sense, but since players won't necessary play at their "current best", it's still going to be inaccurate. Objectively speaking, current skill rating remain relatively more accurate than trying to calculate the "current level" of a player as it's impossible to validate that the player is playing at its best during that time.

I also agree that more features related to a sense of progression (xp/token/etc.) could be interesting and increase replay value for the game or simply giving players a reason to want to play more songs.

[Dinglesberry]

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Just wanna add that I got reamed pretty hard boys.





Jeezo.

[Figlar20k]

Re: "Ranking Degredation" for song scores

Highly Highly HIGHLY disagree!!!

It takes minimal effort to get back to your peak performance and way longer to improve past that.

There will always be people at the very low end and very high end of each division and there is nothing that can be done about that.

Shouldn't the goal of the tournament be to improve past your peak performance? Sandbagging in a lower division just so you can get as good as you were before and not better to crush everyone who you were better than anyways is a terrible idea. You should be better than you were to win. And if you need a week or two to get the rust off your back well that's the effort you need to put into it.

[Figlar20k]

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Actually this is what chesstempo does for problems and it isn't a bad idea when there are thousands of active users and statistics actually works. Unfortunately this is FFR, so...

Most chess websites including FIDE do not do this at all. What they do is if you are inactive for a long period of time your rating goes +/- to a much higher degree to place you at your current skill level faster depending on the length of time you have played. However your current rating is not adjusted in any way whatsoever, meaning that tournament results and placings are completely unaffected unless you go on some significant loss streak.

There is no way to do this in FFR as obviously you are competing against yourself, not against other players.

[happyhardcor3]

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^mina typing up essays

[emulord]

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I get wrecked in every tournament. My absolute peak was just barely getting Token Whore. This means Low D5, which I've degraded to an actual skill of D3.

No one is suggesting to put D6 players in D3. Its more like putting a D6 player who plays like a D4 because of rust into D5. That way they have a chance to compete. 200+ Goods on first round of a tournament is not accurately placed.

Or, because divisions are arbitrary we should just have the officials be "Past Winners/Placers" vs Everyone else.

[YoshL]

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tell me:

whose fault is it that they stopped playing FFR and their skill degraded
whose fault is it that they had a peak that corresponded to where they got placed in the tournament
whose fault is it that they didn't feel like regaining skill for the tournament

and you're suggesting that divisional placements be modified so people have a "chance". Divisions were created to allow people to have a chance. unless you think we should make the system 100% fair and remove divisional placements, and only let the best player win

Mina's post pretty much outlines every problem with placing people at current skill. Mod devonin's mod edit doesn't really have much merit because people advocating for ranking degradation or placing based on current skill is actually pretty infuriating and kinda insulting for those who decide that they'll play to get better, instead of trying to make their competitive lives as easy as possible

[TC_Halogen]

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I get wrecked in every tournament. My absolute peak was just barely getting Token Whore. This means Low D5, which I've degraded to an actual skill of D3.

No one is suggesting to put D6 players in D3. Its more like putting a D6 player who plays like a D4 because of rust into D5. That way they have a chance to compete. 200+ Goods on first round of a tournament is not accurately placed.

Or, because divisions are arbitrary we should just have the officials be "Past Winners/Placers" vs Everyone else.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4449250&postcount=13

post i made way earlier in this thread addresses it

as many others have said, unless you are suffering from some sort of severe injury that inhibits play there is no excuse for you to not get the previous skill that you had back with a little bit of dedication

you can either run the risk of upsetting a single user who doesn't want to dedicate the time and effort to get their skill back, or you can run the risk of upsetting an entire division's worth of players by placing someone who indicated a level and had their "degradation" accommodated for to put them lower

[Dinglesberry]

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Tournaments are a part of it, but I don't think rank is solely just there for tournament seeding.

I think it's been established a couple times that its pretty easy to get back to your skill level by putting in the effort. Though I've seen many examples where this isn't true, for me it was (I'm currently at my peak, far better than I was back in the day) and I'm sure it is for many players as well.

Obviously it's possible to get back to your rank, but why not have some sort of progression to show how you are coming along getting back? Lets say a returning player was able to SDG mid 60s in the past.. If they return and are now only able to SDG low 50s, I just find it odd how let's say they got a good score on a 58, even though relative to their current skill it's great, it has no effect on their ranking. Obviously the person has the accomplishment in their mind, but there really isn't any significance in terms of their top scores or rank even though they are clearly improving.

I guess it depends on perspective, to me your rank is a sign of progress and I feel It would be good to focus on this more with the xp bar and such, but I can tell a lot of people view rank as an achievement, and would feel discouraged if their previous rank was stolen from them.

The biggest thing I dislike is that players who were a high rank in the past don't get anything to display their progress in getting back to their prior skill, but it's not too big of a deal because obviously the progress is still there.

[remedy1502]

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I don't have much to add or fight about really but
if my tell 4g was pointless because I got it 5 years ago I'd be fucking mad

The biggest thing I dislike is that players who were a high rank in the past don't get anything to display their progress in getting back to their prior skill, but it's not too big of a deal because obviously the progress is still there.

if one really cares to display their progress, post scores in scores threads

or even better, just smash past your old skill and wipe out those old scores
if it's hard, it's fucking hard. Don't be a baby; you can always get better.
obviously this doesn't go for losing skill due to injury etc

[hi19hi19]

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lmao I read mina's post and it's fucking hilarious how right he is.
Might I remind people that every division (D7 included) is most likely to be won by whoever is closest to the top of the division when it starts.
That's... how competition fucking works.

I'm starting to realize the response "or you could just get good" answers pretty much every complaint in this thread.