TWG 150: Undertale

[TWG Alphys]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

I think I've explained that I am reading either Sans or Flowey as the ONLY person on FFR who ever makes random kills for the sake of being random. I also quoted mettaton and gave a response so... WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SAYING?

So two people in an anonymous game are the only ones out of the entire twg player base on FFR that would make a safe kill?

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Alphys

So two people in an anonymous game are the only ones out of the entire twg player base on FFR that would make a safe kill?

its more than I think the specific person wearing the mask of Sans or Flowey is a specific person who is the only person that makes kills such as the one that occurred last night. Its not a "safe" kill, its a random kill. It attempts to deny town any information from the nightkills, which I still consider to be a pretty unusual play from a HUMAN FUCKFACE at best because as Mettaton pointed out, it basically ignores blues.

[TWG Alphys]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

Its not a "safe" kill, its a random kill. It attempts to deny town any information from the nightkills, which I still consider to be a pretty unusual play from a HUMAN FUCKFACE at best because as Mettaton pointed out, it basically ignores blues.

no

[TWG Alphys]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

its more than I think the specific person wearing the mask of Sans or Flowey is a specific person who is the only person that makes kills such as the one that occurred last night. Its not a "safe" kill, its a random kill. It attempts to deny town any information from the nightkills, which I still consider to be a pretty unusual play from a HUMAN FUCKFACE at best because as Mettaton pointed out, it basically ignores blues.

Entirely dependent on if you think the blues would come right of the gate with a ton of posts or if they'd stay back a bit. An inactive player's death is safe, since it denies us any information which means it can't get traced back to any of the human team.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Alphys

Entirely dependent on if you think the blues would come right of the gate with a ton of posts or if they'd stay back a bit. An inactive player's death is safe, since it denies us any information which means it can't get traced back to any of the human team.

i think the majority of the blues would want to hang back and try to go unnoticed with the exception of maybe the bomb (who would want to attract wolf attention so they can get a kamikaze kill) there's not really any value in going right out of the gate with posts galore because there's no good outcome to be had there

[TWG Alphys]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

i think the majority of the blues would want to hang back and try to go unnoticed with the exception of maybe the bomb (who would want to attract wolf attention so they can get a kamikaze kill) there's not really any value in going right out of the gate with posts galore because there's no good outcome to be had there

well yeah, i said that because mad dummy thinks the blues would bring attention to themselves because 'killing an inactive is ignoring blues'

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Alphys

well yeah, i said that because mad dummy thinks the blues would bring attention to themselves because 'killing an inactive is ignoring blues'

well, I should say that its more of a crapshoot rather than straight up ignoring them. Lets be real, if someone came into the postgame and said "Here's why we killed Toriel we were 100% sure she was a blue" EVEN IF SHE FLIPPED BLUE, I think most people would (almost certainly correctly) be skeptical at best of that claim.

Again, when wolves don't have bluereads, almost everyone kills someone they're afraid of because they're a good player or because that person has a soulread on someone, wolves don't kill the person with 6 posts or whatever it was because they're afraid of that person. They do it to be random. If you want to call it safe, fine, but I think random is a better adjective (I feel like we are roughly describing the same thing, in any case).

[TWG Alphys]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

If you want to call it safe, fine, but I think random is a better adjective (I feel like we are roughly describing the same thing, in any case).

If you think we are describing the same thing, then I still think you're false in that the person you think is flowey or sans is the only one that'd make that sort of kill.

[TWG Monster Kid]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

i think the majority of the blues would want to hang back and try to go unnoticed with the exception of maybe the bomb (who would want to attract wolf attention so they can get a kamikaze kill) there's not really any value in going right out of the gate with posts galore because there's no good outcome to be had there

One could argue that playing passively would also draw attention from the wolf crew.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Monster Kid

One could argue that playing passively would also draw attention from the wolf crew.

i'd say trying to take charge from square one would draw more attention than playing passively but then it really depends on where the charge leads them

but who knows really

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

its more than I think the specific person wearing the mask of Sans or Flowey is a specific person who is the only person that makes kills such as the one that occurred last night. Its not a "safe" kill, its a random kill. It attempts to deny town any information from the nightkills, which I still consider to be a pretty unusual play from a HUMAN FUCKFACE at best because as Mettaton pointed out, it basically ignores blues.

this would be more important if it wasn't the first night phase of the entire game, where we don't even have any information yet

i still think the night kill was a random kill not to deny town information but because it's still the beginning of the game. it comes down to kill a random person because, like i said already, nobody has yet done anything to stand out as a valuable wolf target

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

this would be more important if it wasn't the first night phase of the entire game, where we don't even have any information yet

i still think the night kill was a random kill not to deny town information but because it's still the beginning of the game. it comes down to kill a random person because, like i said already, nobody has yet done anything to stand out as a valuable wolf target

So, I get that not really anyone had done anything noticeable to be blueread. I am not disputing this point.

What I AM saying, is that Toriel does not follow as the next best kill.

She had a single digit number of posts, and to my knowledge, no one was reading her particularly town. There are many better kills such as people that are getting universally townread, or people whose identities other people are afraid of.

[TWG Alphys]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

There are many better kills such as people that are getting universally townread, or people whose identities other people are afraid of.

Then who out of the few posting in the first phase were universally townread?

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Alphys

Then who out of the few posting in the first phase were universally townread?

did anybody even fall into this list

i feel like there were a few people that were town leans by the small handful of people who bothered to post reads

that's far from "universally townread"

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Alphys

Then who out of the few posting in the first phase were universally townread?

Mettaton is the main one that comes to mind. I don't think anyone had a problem with myself or Undyne either.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

Mettaton is the main one that comes to mind. I don't think anyone had a problem with myself or Undyne either.

undyne was questionable iirc but mettaton came the closest to getting a universal green lean

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

She had a single digit number of posts, and to my knowledge, no one was reading her particularly town. There are many better kills such as people that are getting universally townread, or people whose identities other people are afraid of.

this i can agree with but you take it in a direction that i can't get behind

she was definitely a random kill, that much i'm feeling pretty confident about. i don't think there's any deeper meaning behind it though

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

this i can agree with but you take it in a direction that i can't get behind

she was definitely a random kill, that much i'm feeling pretty confident about. i don't think there's any deeper meaning behind it though

I'm pretty anxious to see wolfchat in postgame because I feel like I'm right, but the points you and Alphys are making are impossible for me to shoot down. I don't even know if I can get Sans lynched, because my case on him is nothing beyond what I've already stated. I think talking about my read on Sans here has brought a lot of shit to the table, but its not the good kind anymore. I'll attempt to develop my read more, but I think talking about what I've brought to the table has run its course in terms of productivity.