TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces out Postgame Thread

[SKG_Scintill]

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I know the character I was playing as was generally useless and annoying, but that was the point. Playing a character to represent the new player that I am.
But apparently some people expected me to be useful.
All that was left for me to do was to give up on my character around day 2 and try to crash-course the meta, which is just school.

All in all, it left me with a feeling of "do I have to spend several weeks/months learning this game in order to have fun?", which isn't a good first impression.
I felt like I got thrown into a raid boss on my first day of playing.

[Hakulyte]

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Your meta works, this game just didn't go as expected in multiple ways.

[SKG_Scintill]

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Your meta works

What meta? It was my first game.

[YoshL]

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i play twg because i enjoy being able to throw my logic and thoughts around in a way that i can't really do outside of the game.

I know the character I was playing as was generally useless and annoying, but that was the point. Playing a character to represent the new player that I am.
But apparently some people expected me to be useful.
All that was left for me to do was to give up on my character around day 2 and try to crash-course the meta, which is just school.

All in all, it left me with a feeling of "do I have to spend several weeks/months learning this game in order to have fun?", which isn't a good first impression.
I felt like I got thrown into a raid boss on my first day of playing.

you can still play as a "character" but ultimately, when you play a structured game, there still needs to be some semblance of motion. If all you're doing is shitposting and not contributing to the game, then i guess the time would definitely be better spent in some rp or something.

It's not really as much of a matter of "learning the game" as "keeping up with everything that's happening" i think. If you're keeping up and reading, you probably have opinions. stating your opinions is gr8, and being able to follow up by discussing the happenings and other people's points of views and actions is pretty good in the TWG environment. It'd be much better than a bunch of people who do play the game already (oops)

in the end, TWG ends up being "who're the bad guys! the bad guys are bad! discuss with everyone go" - if you imagine this in real life, someone who is fooling around and kinda distracting from conversation will be looked on with a certain perspective. then you make someone leave the game because you think they're a bad guy, everyone leaves the room, and then comes back except for people who died, and blah blah blah. It's an exercise in human interaction i guess. (i'm ranting now lol)

and of course, twg isn't going to be for everyone. if it's not your cup of tea, i'm glad that you at least took it for a spin. Kinda unfortunate that this was your first game, since the game itself was kinda tainted by inactivity and full out cheating, which sunfan hinted at in the opening. That'll be addressed soon.

[thesunfan]

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I agree with what Yoshl said essentially
playing a character is always fun to see, Charu playing as Shuu in a previous game is a good example of this
when you do that though, you do still have to contribute some, not to say you didn't, but you only did so minimally
when you have a character like that, people aren't going to like it very much if you don't actually contribute

[DaBackpack]

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i play twg because i enjoy being able to throw my logic and thoughts around in a way that i can't really do outside of the game.



you can still play as a "character" but ultimately, when you play a structured game, there still needs to be some semblance of motion. If all you're doing is shitposting and not contributing to the game, then i guess the time would definitely be better spent in some rp or something.

It's not really as much of a matter of "learning the game" as "keeping up with everything that's happening" i think. If you're keeping up and reading, you probably have opinions. stating your opinions is gr8, and being able to follow up by discussing the happenings and other people's points of views and actions is pretty good in the TWG environment. It'd be much better than a bunch of people who do play the game already (oops)

in the end, TWG ends up being "who're the bad guys! the bad guys are bad! discuss with everyone go" - if you imagine this in real life, someone who is fooling around and kinda distracting from conversation will be looked on with a certain perspective. then you make someone leave the game because you think they're a bad guy, everyone leaves the room, and then comes back except for people who died, and blah blah blah. It's an exercise in human interaction i guess. (i'm ranting now lol)

and of course, twg isn't going to be for everyone. if it's not your cup of tea, i'm glad that you at least took it for a spin. Kinda unfortunate that this was your first game, since the game itself was kinda tainted by inactivity and full out cheating, which sunfan hinted at in the opening. That'll be addressed soon.

you'd make a good scientist yoshl

[SKG_Scintill]

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ok I decided at first not to post my rant, but given that people are agreeing with it, let me give a short rundown.

that attitude is exactly what I mean by feeling like I'm being thrown into a raid boss on my first game of playing.
the amount of deduction and content expected is ludicrous for a new player.
what you call shitposting or not providing content was my attempt at proving my innocence.
also nice assumption that I didn't read. I read all the pages. but what was I supposed to make from it? I don't know anyone's game. I have 0 experience with previous TWG games.
as I said during the game: I left the solving to the experienced players.
to me it was better to assume I was wrong than to give an inexperienced opinion, or to get manipulated by people.
anything I felt like saying also felt like it would make me more suspicious
even saying that this is what I was doing is going to come across as suspicious

thanks for accepting me as a guest during your endgame content
don't expect me to come back any time soon

[SKG_Scintill]

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experienced players complaining when new people don't know how to play the game
what do you fucking expect?

[Xiz]

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Being thrown into a raid boss is kinda a right of passage. Everyone here has done it, and been through it.

One thing I do need to stress, is that this is just a game and to NEVER take anything anyone says personally.

It takes a few games to get into the grove of things, in all honesty. I didn't know what I was doing and didn't really understand strats until the 4th or 5th game I played.

Regardless, I enjoyed playing with you. Was fun to have ya here. If ya ever wanna return we would love to have you.

[YoshL]

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ok I decided at first not to post my rant, but given that people are agreeing with it, let me give a short rundown.

that attitude is exactly what I mean by feeling like I'm being thrown into a raid boss on my first game of playing.
the amount of deduction and content expected is ludicrous for a new player.
what you call shitposting or not providing content was my attempt at proving my innocence.
also nice assumption that I didn't read. I read all the pages. but what was I supposed to make from it? I don't know anyone's game. I have 0 experience with previous TWG games.
as I said during the game: I left the solving to the experienced players.
to me it was better to assume I was wrong than to give an inexperienced opinion, or to get manipulated by people.
anything I felt like saying also felt like it would make me more suspicious
even saying that this is what I was doing is going to come across as suspicious

thanks for accepting me as a guest during your endgame content
don't expect me to come back any time soon

sorry if it wasn't clear, i wasn't specifically talking about your play, i was literally saying in general. I wasn't saying that you didn't read the game at all.
"If you're keeping up and reading, you probably have opinions. stating your opinions is gr8," I'm saying, you're going to have something to say regardless, if you've been reading. You're literally saying "i'm new so i shouldn't actually play the game". Playing is getting involved in conversation and contributing your opinions to the knowledge pool so that everyone as a whole has a better stage for analysis. Please don't take what i'm saying as "you're wrong, you're wrong, you're bad etc.". It's not what i'm saying.

Because, having read all the pages of a twg, you can still make guesses based on how people interact with each other, or their tone. Just because you don't know a player doesn't mean you don't have anything to say, it's just a matter of thinking. We're not expecting essays. We just need stuff like "zenith talking to danceflashrevo looks a little forced to me". then we ask for elaboration, and then you state posts that made you think that etc. etc. again, it's a thinking exercise.

things like "anything I felt like saying also felt like it would make me more suspicious
even saying that this is what I was doing is going to come across as suspicious
" or "it was better to assume I was wrong than to give an inexperienced opinion, or to get manipulated by people" feels like you're just afraid of being bad? Which is normal given that you're new to TWG, but literally the only way to get over that is to keep trying and not let a feeling of inferiority take over. Example - AragakiAyase has pretty damn quickly become a force in TWG, and i'm not even sure he's played in 10 games yet even (citation needed). And even early on, he made the effort to just ask around for help, advice on what to do etc. so the onus on playing the game, and playing it well is on you. If you wanted to put in the effort, you can definitely git gud.

And again, in the end, it's up to you to come back. If you don't want to, that's fine. (again) thanks for sticking it out in the game

[Xiz]

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Pretty sure this was said before but, it's really a shame this one was your first game.

There were a shit ton of replacements...
There was cheating...
There was a ragequit...

None of these things ever usually happen. (Besides 1 replacement a game usually) But usually things are a LOT better. Sorry x.x

[SKG_Scintill]

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Your first raid boss a rite of passage, sure. But not on your first time playing.
Given that this is my first impression, I don't feel inclined to put months of effort into it in order to learn it.
I didn't get a feeling of being welcomed, just punched.

[SKG_Scintill]

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I'll settle down now. Those were my thoughts.

[Xiz]

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You have every right to voice your opinion, it's good.

This might be a weird way to look at it, but usually if people go easy on you your first game, it's because they don't consider you a valuable player. If anything I see it as respect because they see you as a threat to their win condition.

Also, getting punched is exactly how I think most of us experienced our first game.

[Xiz]

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Also, getting punched is exactly how I think most of us experienced our first game.

Think of TWG as BDSM.

It's pain.

But...

...good pain.