TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by dLGN

correct

so do you think storn/dbp > storn/round?

[AragakiAyase]

there's also something else that came up but I'm waiting for round to respond to my PM

[storn42]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

You're not considering the scenario where they're both town. I see DBP's reaction as very town because he jumps at something that potentially nails a wolf. I agree with the suicide point but that doesn't make dbp scum in my eyes.

the original post was me noticing that dbp and V were not both woofs, of which i was originally suspicious of. when dbp came to me that day i was suspicious of his intentions asking if i hid in the kidz room which i wasn't even trying to hint at. i can see how he would go to ask me, but i still thought it odd. when V was Kamikaze-d it showed how much the woofs wanted him dead. unless dbp was already suspicious of V i dont see why he would feel the need to confirm that i was in the kidz zone, something which i would have stated already, had i actually been there. If they were looking to find something to kill V with, i can see them trying to jump at that in order to push a lynch.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by storn42

the original post was me noticing that dbp and V were not both woofs, of which i was originally suspicious of. when dbp came to me that day i was suspicious of his intentions asking if i hid in the kidz room which i wasn't even trying to hint at. i can see how he would go to ask me, but i still thought it odd. when V was Kamikaze-d it showed how much the woofs wanted him dead. unless dbp was already suspicious of V i dont see why he would feel the need to confirm that i was in the kidz zone, something which i would have stated already, had i actually been there. If they were looking to find something to kill V with, i can see them trying to jump at that in order to push a lynch.

ok somehow I missed where dbp initially asked if you hid in the kids zone. why was that relevant dbp?

[storn42]

and now i have to go and remake that large ISO on V i was working on...

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by storn42

and now i have to go and remake that large ISO on V i was working on...

you can just open the thread up in another tab and respond...

[storn42]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

tokzic [10:04 PM]
where did you hide last night

dabackpack [10:04 PM]
dino den

tokzic [10:05 PM]
THAT'S RIGHT

dabackpack [10:05 PM]
?

​[10:05]
dinos are fuckin awesome

tokzic [10:05 PM]
seering was on you haha

dabackpack [10:05 PM]
lmao

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thx

tokzic [10:07 PM]
alright i have a really hard time imagining red just chilling in an exhibit

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so i'm going to go ahead and say you're 90% town

btw, i was re-reading this and does this not feel forced to anyone else? i know tokzic was a woof and all... but still the entire conversation feels wierd.... and it really does feel like a W/W convo trying to clear one another.

[storn42]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

you can just open the thread up in another tab and respond...

i was. it magically deleted itself and i dont recall how it happened.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by storn42

btw, i was re-reading this and does this not feel forced to anyone else? i know tokzic was a woof and all... but still the entire conversation feels wierd.... and it really does feel like a W/W convo trying to clear one another.

it feels weird but I'm not sure if it's all because tokzic was making a really weird play or if it's because the conversation is orchestrated. But I don't think dbp is a wolf and there's no way I'm lynching him today, there are far better options to choose from right now

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

FINALLY something

you only have one in your scummy pile right now. Out of your nulls who do you think is more likely? I know you said you need to reread but what's your impression right now? (also when is this reread coming?)

I somewhat don't wanna go into this because I think my memory is fuzzy about whom it was, but I remember someone doing this hilariously random vote on botchi, and I wanna reaffirm who that was.

I think it was rzr, but I wanna see that before I answer that with a definitive

But to be precise, atm it's rzr, subject to change pending a reread.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by XelNya

I somewhat don't wanna go into this because I think my memory is fuzzy about whom it was, but I remember someone doing this hilariously random vote on botchi, and I wanna reaffirm who that was.

I think it was rzr, but I wanna see that before I answer that with a definitive

But to be precise, atm it's rzr, subject to change pending a reread.

I hope this reread comes soon

[storn42]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

it feels weird but I'm not sure if it's all because tokzic was making a really weird play or if it's because the conversation is orchestrated. But I don't think dbp is a wolf and there's no way I'm lynching him today, there are far better options to choose from right now

alright. i can accept that. i'll keep digging, but go ahead and find your lynch. i guess i'll work on one for tomorrow.

[AragakiAyase]

right now it's between dlgn/round/xel for me today
maaaybe rzr but I don't think so

[dLGN]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

so do you think storn/dbp > storn/round?

i townread him largely because of the post from the night phase. sounded like a good bit of thought went into it. it looked good with the tokzic flip, however, I hadn't really considered that tokzic may have intentionally sacced himself at the time. if he did it was likely fairly premeditated and roundbox could get ahead of that flip with a post like that. you've also posted a few good points against him recently.

storn+roundbox may be the more likely team, tbh.

I really thought I had good reason to clear dbp earlier this game. then some weird stuff happened that I am not factoring in. now I am just thinking more about that check with the tokzic flip and who could be scum here if I am going to just hope rzr is town at this point.

[dLGN]

yeah the random vote on botchi was rzr, xel. he brought up botchi again today in pms with me and is a weird part of how I don't think he is a wolf anymore, i think... it's weird.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by dLGN

yeah the random vote on botchi was rzr, xel. he brought up botchi again today in pms with me and is a weird part of how I don't think he is a wolf anymore, i think... it's weird.

what is rzr saying about botchi? I'm curious because at this point I don't think anyone should be considering botchi at all. If there were any chance of him being fake then someone would have spoken up by now and his reaction to space space being frozen seemed genuine.

[dLGN]

i'll let rzr share the rest of our convo if he wants, i'm not sure if he's ready for his thoughts to get out there in discussion form or if he wants to think about it some more, but here is the bit on botchi, and it comes off as genuine, to me:

Roundbox is the only person left in my town pile - I will explore that world with you gladly, but let me make it clear that out of all living players I trust roundbox the most

dlgn [6:39 PM] 
interesting

rzr [6:39 PM] 
I guess followed by botchi, though I'm still very wary of botchi

dlgn [6:39 PM] 
WTF

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BOTCHI IS NEVER A WOLF EVER

rzr [6:39 PM] 
Wanna know why I trust round?

​[6:39] 
Idk man

dlgn [6:39 PM] 
dude

​[6:39] 
DUDE

rzr [6:39 PM] 
After that shit with tokzic I think scum is strong and planned this game

dlgn [6:40 PM] 
IF A HOMELESS GUY IS ALIVE AND HASN'T CLAIMED THEY ARE LITERALLY GAMETHROWING

rzr [6:40 PM] 
Why?

​[6:40] 
If they claimed right now

​[6:40] 
All we would do

​[6:40] 
Is lynch one or te other or both

​[6:40] 
That is suicide

dlgn [6:40 PM] 
BECAUSE THEY WOULD KNOW BOTCHI IS FAKE AND IS MAFIA AND NEEDS TO DIE FOR US TO WIN

rzr [6:40 PM] 
If a PR is out there

dlgn [6:40 PM] 
DUDE

​[6:40] 
HE IS NEVER A WOLF

​[6:40] 
EVER

​[6:40] 
you would have to be out of your mind to not claim here

​[6:41] 
like if you are a HG you need to claim RIGHT NOW if you are staying hidden using this logic

​[6:41] 
because none of us will ever touch botchi this game

​[6:41] 
he WILL NOT GET LYNCHED, EVER

​[6:41] 
unless he gets counterclaimed

rzr [6:41 PM] 
The only reason I'm not 100% convinced is because at this point in the game, if I was an HG, I would not feel comfortable claiming

dlgn [6:41 PM] 
YOU HAVE TO

​[6:41] 
YOU HAVEEEEEE TO CLAIM

rzr [6:42 PM] 
Again, that wasn't my point, I was taolking about who I do trust lmao

dlgn [6:42 PM] 
it is insane not to

​[6:42] 
but i need you to understand this

​[6:42] 
if I die in the night I don't want you to throw a dumb vote on botchi

​[6:42] 
and have wolves hammer it and win

​[6:42] 
that is literally insane

rzr [6:42 PM] 
I have much better targets to look at apparently

​[6:42] 
I do not wagon

dlgn [6:42 PM] 
please, if I die before you this game

rzr [6:42 PM] 
Don't worry

dlgn [6:42 PM] 
and you find out I am human

​[6:42] 
trust me

​[6:42] 
and NEVER

​[6:42] 
EVER

​[6:42] 
vote botchi

rzr [6:43 PM] 
I won't but I have been pressuring him

dlgn [6:43 PM] 
i will take the blame if he is a wolf

​[6:43] 
actually

​[6:43] 
no

rzr [6:43 PM] 
haha

dlgn [6:43 PM] 
i would blame whoever is the HG

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for being an absolute idiot

​[6:43] 
and not claiming

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like you do get it, yes, we do lynch one of them today

​[6:43] 
but if we are wrong, the other one dies next

​[6:43] 
and that leaves only 1

​[6:43] 
1 vs like 5

​[6:43] 
that's SO GOOD FOR TOWN

​[6:44] 
the real HG would claim 1000000000% of the time

​[6:44] 
like you have to get that your own life as town is important but does not make or break the game, some town die, sometimes PRs die, too (LIKE XIZ, which is why tokzic is dead!)

[dLGN]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

what is rzr saying about botchi? I'm curious because at this point I don't think anyone should be considering botchi at all. If there were any chance of him being fake then someone would have spoken up by now and his reaction to space space being frozen seemed genuine.

i agree and I tried to make that very, very clear as you can see above ^

[dLGN]

Originally Posted by storn42

alright. i can accept that. i'll keep digging, but go ahead and find your lynch. i guess i'll work on one for tomorrow.

this is so weird lmao. even if I am confident I can defend myself and not get lynched this game, I could easily die in the night (and it would help whoever of you are just incorrect towns solve the game, probably). you can't be this confident you'll be around tomorrow as town...

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by dLGN

this is so weird lmao. even if I am confident I can defend myself and not get lynched this game, I could easily die in the night (and it would help whoever of you are just incorrect towns solve the game, probably). you can't be this confident you'll be around tomorrow as town...

that's actually a good point and I didn't notice that