TWG CXLIII: SK Loses Again Game Thread

[YoshL]

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everyone is waving red flags this game for some reason

[DaBackpack]

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You mention my "neutrality" while not really elaborating on this. If you want to go in on that fact then I'm confused why you're not, especially coming from you. I'm used to you speaking very clearly and directly about your points, right now you're kind of bouncing around it, not seeming to want to directly make a point. It feels almost "neutral" from you too.

worst yet, he uses "hypocrisy" as a counterpoint

[Vendetta21]

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I'm daydrunk and I don't use it as slank. In fact I feel like trying to use the drunk/not-drunk meta is nearly as useless as trying to go beyond the bed/bath barrier. Okay I really wanted to make that joke but person X being drunk or not drunk has never caught me a wolf, I think it's irrelevant. But excuses and slanking arent irrelevant.

[Vendetta21]

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everyone is waving red flags this game for some reason

We used to call those votes in my day

[YoshL]

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it's more so that the phrase "red flag" has been for some reason primed in everyone's minds and now it's being tossed around like a hot potato

[Vendetta21]

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Okay that's actually interesting shared language is something worth picking up on who has used it and do you think it's worth me re-reading the thread over

[_Zenith_]

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What are you basing this off of? The last TWG, which you hosted btw, I didn't really say or do shit early on and I was a human..so if anything you are kinda contradicting meta. I did also say I was at a music festival so that would kinda explain my not being here yesterday, although I did make an effort to let you all know what was going on but you must've glossed over that..or consciously omitted it from your read on me.

I'm not making a major deal out of you being absent because you said that; I was basing the gutread off of what you had posted other than the post indicating you were away. I'm also basing the read currently from past games and not the last game.

[YoshL]

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in the end, it looks like dabackpack said it first, and everyone else was saying red flag in response to other people saying red flag

probably just confirmation bias, me thinking that it's been said a lot more than it has, and reading the phrase in like 10 other quoted messages and w/e

if it's interesting to you as a data point then ????? cause i don't make anything out of it lol

[Vendetta21]

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So one thing that has me curious right now is this sort'be milquetoast vote stasis. I feel like we should be pressuring

[Vendetta21]

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in the end, it looks like dabackpack said it first, and everyone else was saying red flag in response to other people saying red flag

probably just confirmation bias, me thinking that it's been said a lot more than it has, and reading the phrase in like 10 other quoted messages and w/e

if it's interesting to you as a data point then ????? cause i don't make anything out of it lol

It would have only been interesting to me as a data point if multiple were using the same peculiar language

[choof]

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we need a vote count

So one thing that has me curious right now is this sort'be milquetoast vote stasis. I feel like we should be pressuring

the issue with pressuring though, is that

xelnya arigaki and red blaster seem kinda irrelevant to this game right now also

these are people that should be pressured imo, and they don't seem to be paying attention to the game. pressure on ymia only got a re-read of the first handful of pages;

Oh and then Zenith did this like i don't so buddy

the quote he makes here is from page 8, and he then proceeds to glance over the continuing pages. I'm making that assumption based on his substantial reads that follow

Xelnya made a pretty big catchup post and didn't shitpost which both are different from what I remember but he did say he was going to do that

Choof is just town not getting anything bad out of him

V still null to me but I'm pretty sure that's standard D0/1 unless he does something ridiculous

Choof calling out rzr's contradictions is nice

what he's basically saying here is "xelnya did a thing, choof is town, v is doing a thing and is null, oh and choof did another thing"

ymia didn't take the pressure too seriously, this is his most recent post

I can see the top two, the third however I was long since deep in alcohol.

which, coincidentally, was followed by V posting this

Yeah I'm still on the ymia train. I don't feel satisfied by his responses at all.

so if we're going to put pressure on someone, we need to determine who the "best" for pressure is

james may will do nothing
pressure on rb will most likely do nothing
xelnya will most likely not take it serious
not sure how I feel about AA aside from that slip that I saw

red blaster is viewing the thread though, so I feel he is the best candidate for pressure atm

red, I would like you to add to these reads

Skimmed the thread and basically picked up these key points:

Plop confirmed human
YoshL/Zenith shitstorm
Round's early setup observation post
rzr's weird posts about voting D0
Xel's big post

I'm assuming you're doing a re-read of the thread to look for info. at least, I hope you are

[choof]

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charu's been in this thread more than fucking james may has

[thesunfan]

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Votecount:
DaBackPack (1)- Plop
Zenith (1)- ymia
ymia (1)- V
AA (2)- round, Yoshl
Red (1)- choof
Unvote - Zenith, DaBackPack

[Red Blaster]

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red blaster "slankslankslankslankslankslankslankslank"

Most definitely

Considering the game started on Saturday Nov 7, yeah I think that pretty much explains my absence for the day, but please do continue to try to paint me in a bad light for missing 12 hours of essentially nothing happening when 90% of TWG players go to some sort of con or something and are gone for the weekend and nobody says shit about it.
I don't ever use "slank cover" for shit motherfucker.

/rant

what are your thoughts on the game so far?

I'll kind of elaborate more on this in the hopes it answers your question:

Skimmed the thread and basically picked up these key points:

Plop confirmed human
YoshL/Zenith shitstorm
Round's early setup observation post
rzr's weird posts about voting D0
Xel's big post

Obviously the Plop being confirmed human is self-explanatory.

YoshL's picking at Zenith isn't really alignment indicative to me seeing as I've seen him do it as a vt, pr and scum so not much to read into here for me. It does kinda look like town/town or wolf/wolf though (I'm personally leaning towards the former) from my perspective as I don't think it'd make any sort of sense for it to be wolf/town this early on in the game unless one of them has just decided to go super gung ho.

Rounds early posts about masons rang out as a strange post to make, kinda similar to the string of "posting information that doesn't further the game, but all the while makes you look towny while not really doing anything town beneficial." posts we've seen in other TWG games. Sure there are people, myself included, who would benefit from seeing the information displayed outright for us instead of taking the time to view the wiki and work the potential setup options we're working with based off of role distribution, but idk I'm just not seeing it being that necessary of a point to instantly bring up.
And then he concluded with:

anyone pursuing setup information after this should be hunted down and shot

Which is just odd considering that's essentially what he's just done.

Which brings me to rzr's posts about not voting on D0:

I wanna throw a vote out, but I promised I never would unless forced.

This is his entry post into the game..like if you're going to vote, vote. Don't make some really strange post about how you want to vote but for some reason you're not going to. It is D0 after all, I'm not sure that anybody really takes early D0 votes as too too serious so I'm not seeing the reasoning here.

I refuse to. As a wolf it was easier to maintain, I wanna throw a vote now to spark something and if I were to, it'd be on roundbox. But I told the guys in the livetwg I will forever go out of my way to avoid voting if I can, regardless of my role.

Again, mention of wanting to throw out a vote and even a target on who he would place one on, but for some reason he still doesn't do it. He mentions his philosophy of always electing to stay out of the voting if possible*, but in the last TWG, my only game experience with rzr, he tossed out votes fairly casually - even early D0 shitvotes - so I don't see where this 180° shift in how he uses his voting power is coming from. Granted, he was a wolf in the last game so if anything this would make me think maybe this is indicative of his town game?

*refer to this later below

If I recall, the only time I did vote was to save my skin by voting bunny last game. I did state if I were to it'd be geared towards roundbox. And will elaborate if it seems my 2 cents is worth it

Again mention of Round.

Personally, I do not like to vote because of the wolf rush, and because it screws with the way I analyze player interactions. Again, this was all stated in the livechat, just getting you guys hip

A wolf rush on early D0? Granted that there's only 3 wolves in this setup, you would've been the only Round vote and it's like 8 or 9 to insta I'm not seeing where this worry is springing from.

if I were to place a vote it would not be viable and I don't want to give anyone the chance to run with my thoughts until I form them properly and address them. True, my only power is my vote. That vote, currently, is moot. And if everyone rushed yosh or Zenith right now, I would not be voting. Don't believe in insta, seems too easy to give the game away

Remember the asterisk point I made earlier? If you don't allow me re-quote it for you:

I will forever go out of my way to avoid voting if I can, regardless of my role.

and yet here he is saying that his only power is his vote, which according to the above, he's not willing to use.

So after all that discussion of placing a vote on Round, you now say that the vote wouldn't be "viable"? I also am having a hard time understanding the who not wanting someone to run with your thoughts..wouldn't that be a good thing? Isn't that the sole point of TWG altogether? Getting players to see your train of thought and to agree with it and expand upon it and rally behind it. I understand what you are trying to say here (being wary about giving out information that someone, presumably a wolf, might not have seen and then have them go back and use that as an exploit to push a lynch against a human) but I'm just not seeing the logic behind it.

And finally on Xel's post, well that was more of an "This is different" type of thing. I'm not really used to seeing Xel put so much effort, although to be honest he probably puts more effort into his yuru-yuri gif posting :P, into the game that early. Has anyone seen Xel play like this in early game before?

[Red Blaster]

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I was only viewing the thread because that post was in the making