Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

[HeZe]

Re: Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

One of the most exciting thing in tourneys is seeing new files coming.

I have three suggestions:
1. Auto accept all files stepped by ilikexd and hi19hi19 from the batches which haven't been judged yet. This is only half-serious suggestion but it'd add dozens of quality songs to the queue

2. TEMPORARILY add unjudged files (if it passes a quick look) to the missing slots and maybe remove them from public access after the tournament?

3. Only divisions 6 and 7 get new songs, as most of the focus will be directed to those divisions anyway.

EDIT: Now I've read the entire topic. None will care if even most of the songs are old, the main thing is that the tournament will happen. You just have to remember that we have got used to the "luxury" of receiving only new songs in the tournament and you can't expect us to cheerfully accept that now we are going backwards, even though we know that it has to be done.

[ilikexd]

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Oh god, internalizing sounds awful! Screw the official, we need to stop internalizing!
(This isn't sarcasm, I'm serious!)

Let's say there are 4 batches used for the official, 50 files each for 200 in total. 70 are accepted, and the official needs something like 56 to run. Out of those 70, the majority will be concentrated in the 40-78 difficulty range. There will be holes in the upper and lower extremes. So you can run another batch, a special easy or hard songs batch. This fills a lot of those holes. But even after one of those there are still a couple of empty slots: maybe d6 needs a final round, d7 needs a semifinal, and d1 needs a first round. Do you run another batch? A "90-95 difficulty batch" and "1-10 dificulty batch". It sounds absurd, but even if you did one it would mostly be charts submitted that go way out of their way to be difficult when it doesn't well suit the music -- this is already a notorious problem in regular hard batches themselves. Now remember that each one of those batches, the normal and special ones, require a lot of effort from the steppers, judges, and batch organizers that might not be possible. And in the end there are still a few empty slots that need to be filled, it's just a statistical near-certainty that even given an arbitrarily high number of batches ran, there is very likely going to be a missing file at like difficulty 90-91 for a certain round of d6 or d7, or even that there just happened to be no file suitable at difficulty 43-45 for d4, or such and such. Keep in mind a chart can be generally acceptable for FFR, but certain types are more preferable for official tournament play. Internally slotting files is a low-effort and fast fix to a near-unavoidable problem. It's hard to say it fairly from a biased position, but whatever. I think it would be cool to see a greater diversity of steppers having content in all stages of the tournament, and it's regrettable that it doesn't happen.

[choof]

Re: Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

who even cares anymore it's not like using old or new files or whatever will breath any kind of life into the game

I'm actually kinda appalled that staff would even have the gall to bring up an official considering how badly staff has been shitting all over FFR lmao

[choof]

Re: Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

maybe i'm just being paranoid but for some reason, the prospect of an official, given the timing of all of the embarrassing stuff going on behind the scenes, doesn't feel genuine; it just feels like it's being used to appease the community

[choof]

Re: Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

here are some questions: does the staff genuinely think that an official tournament in the near future is even remotely a good idea? has the staff fixed the stuff needed on the backend? will we run into more server issues while the official's happening?

[ilikexd]

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maybe i'm just being paranoid but for some reason, the prospect of an official, given the timing of all of the embarrassing stuff going on behind the scenes, doesn't feel genuine; it just feels like it's being used to appease the community

It's a regular yearly thing aimed to be organized in the summer. The timing is unfortunate but not related.

[choof]

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the tourney should be postponed then until staff is certain that all of the issues that need to be fixed are fixed

[Trumpet63]

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(thorough explanation)

Okay, geez, I'm clueless on this stuff clearly. That was a good explanation, but there was more to this than expected. I'll ask people outside of this thread so I can get a better understanding.

[gold stinger]

Re: Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

Ever since I played TWG I look at threads like these and they look like a game of TWG


help

[XelNya]

Re: Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

Ever since I played TWG I look at threads like these and they look like a game of TWG


help

That's because people are being imbeciles and ass holes about it, instead of just trying to contribute to the discussion, and ignoring those who said things in a poor way, and just using the report button. The way they should have.

[dha]

Re: Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

I think if they will put old songs in the tournament, i could go out on the first round, becouse of a mind-fucked song that i can't improve, then do as you like, I understand that it is a huge job

[TheSaxRunner05]

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Is there any way to speed up the current judging process? I've seen several batch notes with songs getting 0/10 - 2/10 and so on that get detailed notes, maybe there can be a screening phase where someone just checks over the file that it passes submission requirements and is absent of any blatant errors. Once approved, the file would get full judging and detailed notes. Now I haven't kept up on the process lately, but I remember seeing songs from 0/10 to 4/10 getting detailed notes, which seemed like a waste of time, when a screening could have caught it.

[SK8R43]

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Havent read through the thread yet, but using older songs would cause problems for me and i probably wouldnt particpate. As most of you know when going for ranks you get blocks on songs when you play them over and over and its hard to get rid of them. Most songs 79+ i have at least 1-2, if not more.
Playing them for a tourny would just make it worse for me, im sure others have said the same thing but i wont know until later when i can read this all.

[lurker]

Re: Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

Is there any way to speed up the current judging process? I've seen several batch notes with songs getting 0/10 - 2/10 and so on that get detailed notes, maybe there can be a screening phase where someone just checks over the file that it passes submission requirements and is absent of any blatant errors. Once approved, the file would get full judging and detailed notes. Now I haven't kept up on the process lately, but I remember seeing songs from 0/10 to 4/10 getting detailed notes, which seemed like a waste of time, when a screening could have caught it.

the amount of files this applies to is so low that it's not worth adding another phase to judging which would inevitably slow things down
i think the problem with judging is that it's done in massive batches rather than as a steady stream of files, so judging becomes a massive commitment every couple of months rather than something a lot more manageable every week or two
maybe someone else can chime in about this, but it seems like a problem to me and it makes it seem like the only people who could possibly handle the job are no lifers like me

[psychoangel691]

Re: Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

who even cares anymore it's not like using old or new files or whatever will breath any kind of life into the game

I'm actually kinda appalled that staff would even have the gall to bring up an official considering how badly staff has been shitting all over FFR lmao

I have absolutely nothing to do with what happened, why am I being lumped into that statement? I'm merely taking care of my job as an event's manager here on FFR and trying my best to keep some things going for the community. I've always tried to involve the community as much as possible when it comes to decisions that can make a large difference regarding events. I feel that's the right thing to do.

Is there any way to speed up the current judging process? I've seen several batch notes with songs getting 0/10 - 2/10 and so on that get detailed notes, maybe there can be a screening phase where someone just checks over the file that it passes submission requirements and is absent of any blatant errors. Once approved, the file would get full judging and detailed notes. Now I haven't kept up on the process lately, but I remember seeing songs from 0/10 to 4/10 getting detailed notes, which seemed like a waste of time, when a screening could have caught it.

Really no matter what it's a long process because it's a lot of content to go through. Most people don't have the time to sit down and just bang it out in one sitting. Right now I'm trying to rally up a few people to try and blow through at least some of what's waiting while new judges are being selected.


Anyway, it's pretty clear that most people are on the new content side or lean towards it. I'll hold off the tournament and try to fill all slots with new content.
I'm going to ask since special batches are unlikely to fit in anytime soon that any simfile authors out there up to it try to get in some easier files in the range that you'd see in D1 and early D2. Then stuff for the high end because D7 can be rough to fill.