On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

[kmay]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

There is no denying its gimmicky. And I considered spread cheating while I played index. The game is DDR. Which is played with two feet. Two fingers two feet. That's like playing with ddr with two people. Semantics.


So CP may be gimmicky but it is not MISREPRESENTING the game in anyway. It showcases a unique talent and if you can hit those patterns you should be recognized for that. I dont think new players will be looking to play a level 94 song anyway.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

PS: go step a legit vibrating file and Then use all the pro-CP arguments, that might work. But don't simply defend a dumb file like CP thx

@kmay

[Fantasticone]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

Trill hurts my neck everytime, remove.

[AlexDest]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

Just move it to token level ranks, I don't see the big deal.

[ilikexd]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

People are saying "What about consistency?"
I think that crowdpleaser should remain BECAUSE consistency = sameness = boring files.

Seriously, we should have more index / one handed aimed charts and gimmicky things. I agree that background videos should be tokens because they can cause lag for some players which is a unfair difference.

Isnt Nova Pulser gimmicky with those minijacks? Isnt pants gimmicky in a way with miles of jumpstream? What about color gimmicks like Counting Snow? We should celebrate diversity and a barely-possible trill in a otherwise Challenging/VC file is fun.

apples and oranges...

counting snow is a really cool idea to have white notes as if they are snowflakes
pants, although pretty unsound by today's charting standards, makes sense and is totally doable by a myriad of players
nova pulser... like 180 bpm or so minijacks

literally NOTHING like a 480 bpm trill that doesn't represent a sound right

i don't think you understand what consistency means... people aren't talking about charts, they're talking about the ability to vibrate consistently, which doesn't physically exist as explained by many others in this thread


@question in op, swapping cp and revo for their respective v2s sounds like a great idea since they both do a much better job representing the song, are both much more in the realm of playability (no impossible trill, no disgustingly distracting background and nonsense anchors and pretty much arrows going to nothing and wrong bpm the whole time)

[xXOpkillerXx]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

Just move it to token level ranks, I don't see the big deal.

The deal is some people don't want that to happen.

[xVaLoRx]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

but the majority of players do want it to happen according to the votes

[xXOpkillerXx]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

but the majority of players do want it to happen according to the votes

Yes, but it's always good to argue and see what arguments are brought, sometimes one will say something you never thought of and you might agree.

[Hakulyte]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

At one point in time, simfile artists made a few batches of files with hands in them because the vast majority of players adapted to playing spread. If somehow we manage to have a large group of players being able to vibrate and get somewhere with this, it's possible that on long term the game evolves into raw scoring + vibrating files. So, try again with this thread once raw scoring gets implemented and people aren't afraid to lose FC on something they can't do physically.

[SK8R43]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

but the majority of players do want it to happen according to the votes

9 people is a majority?


Dont really care what happens to the file though. not like anyone cares what i think anyways.

[VisD]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

41/78 is a majority

[SK8R43]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

41/78 is a majority, yes

41/73

5 people are undecided and dont count. only 73 people technically voted lol

[kmay]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

Small majority... And that's like telling me to step a JS file in order to know bad JS. No. There is no reason to step a file to be able to judge the playability of it. I'm still waiting for you to say something to change my mind. There has been nothing of value from your posts.


You have said nothing substantial this entire time. There is a reasonable connection about overcoming obstacles. There is no way a new player will play a 94 and expect it to be easy. The pattern is do-able 300 people have done it. The vibration pattern does go to the song. Its all stepped well. Its technically fun and an enjoyable song.

So please make a point and stop just saying mine are not right. Learn to argue and debate please.


Vibrating, or overlay, could be considered skills that should not be hidden but showcased. Reasonably of course. That's why vRofl is token. CP is not stamina draining and can be whored. I mean I guess if you're Haku you could whore vRofl :P

[VisD]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

I was being charitable and included the undecideds, but if one wanted a stronger aye case then yeah 41/73

[ilikexd]

Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

At one point in time, simfile artists made a few batches of files with hands in them because the vast majority of players adapted to playing spread. If somehow we manage to have a large group of players being able to vibrate and get somewhere with this, it's possible that on long term the game evolves into raw scoring + vibrating files. So, try again with this thread once raw scoring gets implemented and people aren't afraid to lose FC on something they can't do physically.

Vibrating is really unique. You tense up your brachioradialis which inadvertently causes your arm to rapidly shake; you don't actually do the action by shaking your arm or hand itself. It's not really trainable (perfectible/improvable) in speed because it's just a singular movement that only slightly varies in speed based on individuals' anatomy. Pretty much everyone can only do it at 180 BPM 16ths, give or take 5 BPM. And I think it's just impossible or near impossible for some due to anatomy. It's also really luck-based because sometimes your arm will just stop shaking for a fraction of a second, or you don't register keytaps. It's really entirely different than the other two skills (one-handed trilling and wristjacking) which are entirely what comprise speed. It's really not something I think that should be utilized in charts intended for a broad audience.