Newtown, Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

[benguino]

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It still boggles me what the motive was behind the shooter's actions. I mean, what satisfaction does one get from shooting innocent school children? Revenge seems unlikely because I doubt any of the kids did anything to make the shooter before the incident to make him want to kill them. So what else is there?

(I still have yet to read any articles on this incident yet, what I know is by word of mouth and this thread right now, so please forgive me if simply reading one of these articles would be enough to tell me what the motives were of the shooter.)

[psychoangel691]

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I just spent five minutes Googling every report I could get my hands on, and I don't think what you're claiming holds much water. It's pretty clear what went down.

Most of the reports that claim something is "fishy" are typically from poorly-written personal blogs or conspiracy nuts who think there was a second shooter (this happens almost every single time a lone gunman goes off the rails -- same shit came up when Holmes committed the atrocity at Aurora), all usually done to make it look like the media/government is "covering something up." See also "9-11 Truthers."

A good rule of thumb: If you have to go against Occam's Razor and resort to conspiracy theories, it's probably incorrect.

Simplest explanation that is also most widely supported = one disturbed dude who had access to a lot of guns shot down a bunch of kids, alone.

Kinda reminds me of

"What if it was just one guy with six guns?"

Anyways, the problem isn't about "school security." Atrocities can happen everywhere, from subways, to the streets, to schools, to movie theaters, to airports, etc.

K cause the TV stations here are blogs and conspiracy theories. The article I linked about the guns was New York Daily News, not some random internet blog. I've barely seen any articles that mention four guns other than what you linked earlier. You also can't get on anyone for believing there was a second shooter because that is what was reported to the world at first. You're getting on my ass because of things that were in fact reported by new stations and other news articles. If they fucked up then they fucked up. Don't give me shit because they didn't report accurate information.

First it was the mother was the teacher in the classroom. Then it was no there's no affiliation with the school. Then it was oh she's a volunteer. Then no a substitute, but then she's on no record for the school employees. Information has been inconsistent since it happened.

But yeah, I'm the moron I guess.

[ichliebekase]

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Well to kind of redirect the attention to some more news:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/newtown_church_forced_to_evacuate_Kmqb19Km9jWLVwY3k4wFmI?amp

Someone apparently is saying that Adam didn't finish the job (to say the least). Death threats against the local church where some of the funerals will be held.

[justaguy]

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K cause the TV stations here are blogs and conspiracy theories. The article I linked about the guns was New York Daily News, not some random internet blog. I've barely seen any articles that mention four guns other than what you linked earlier. You also can't get on anyone for believing there was a second shooter because that is what was reported to the world at first. You're getting on my ass because of things that were in fact reported by new stations and other news articles. If they fucked up then they fucked up. Don't give me shit because they didn't report accurate information.

First it was the mother was the teacher in the classroom. Then it was no there's no affiliation with the school. Then it was oh she's a volunteer. Then no a substitute, but then she's on no record for the school employees. Information has been inconsistent since it happened.

But yeah, I'm the moron I guess.

not a moron, u are concerned with things that dont matter.

[dAnceguy117]

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Well to kind of redirect the attention to some more news:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/newtown_church_forced_to_evacuate_Kmqb19Km9jWLVwY3k4wFmI?amp

Someone apparently is saying that Adam didn't finish the job (to say the least). Death threats against the local church where some of the funerals will be held.

unbelievable. could these families be any less fortunate?

[psychoangel691]

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not a moron, u are concerned with things that dont matter.

I don't see how it doesn't matter when it tells the story about how, why, so on. Yes it concerns me a lot that some guy was able to get into an elementary school with that many weapons. Yes I'm more paranoid about it because I am a parent and still a relatively new parent. Schools should be the last place a parent has to worry about their children being. That's how I feel about it.

[Reincarnate]

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K cause the TV stations here are blogs and conspiracy theories. The article I linked about the guns was New York Daily News, not some random internet blog. I've barely seen any articles that mention four guns other than what you linked earlier. You also can't get on anyone for believing there was a second shooter because that is what was reported to the world at first. You're getting on my ass because of things that were in fact reported by new stations and other news articles. If they fucked up then they fucked up. Don't give me shit because they didn't report accurate information.

First it was the mother was the teacher in the classroom. Then it was no there's no affiliation with the school. Then it was oh she's a volunteer. Then no a substitute, but then she's on no record for the school employees. Information has been inconsistent since it happened.

But yeah, I'm the moron I guess.

Nobody's calling you a moron. I'm only saying that I think you're missing the forest for the trees, here.

Besides, facts always go through a shitstorm of changes when a situation is recent, so you have to take everything with a grain of salt. That doesn't make the situation "fishy." It just means "stick with the most reasonable explanation until something definitive proves otherwise."

I don't see how it doesn't matter when it tells the story about how, why, so on. Yes it concerns me a lot that some guy was able to get into an elementary school with that many weapons. Yes I'm more paranoid about it because I am a parent and still a relatively new parent. Schools should be the last place a parent has to worry about their children being. That's how I feel about it.

We know he had a lot of guns on him. How does the rifle-in-the-car thing change that one way or the other?

[psychoangel691]

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We know he had a lot of guns on him. How does the rifle-in-the-car thing change that one way or the other?

Because it was stated that he only brought in the two pistols. I've already said this. The autopsy reports had said otherwise. I don't know why we're still on this if there were in fact 4 guns now. I didn't read or hear that there were 4. I said that in my previous post. So there's no reason for this to be brought up anymore.

Anyway, on a different note I found this to be an interesting read. Not exactly having to do with this but relatedish

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html

[dAnceguy117]

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Anyway, on a different note I found this to be an interesting read. Not exactly having to do with this but relatedish

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2311009.html

seems entirely relevant to me. the article is both enlightening and terrifying. thanks for the link.

I've never thought a whole lot about the way society deals with mentally ill people. that ought to be a hot topic, if it's not already.

[A2P]

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Turns out the guy has Aspergers.

settin us back 20 years mang

[psychoangel691]

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seems entirely relevant to me. the article is both enlightening and terrifying. thanks for the link.

I've never thought a whole lot about the way society deals with mentally ill people. that ought to be a hot topic, if it's not already.

Well I meant like it's not exactly having to do with Adam or the people but yeah it's related in a way. Worded it wrong.

[Spoiled_Milk]

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That's a pretty heart wrenching article, Kayla. She put it in such great perspective..I couldn't imagine the pain a mom would go through having to make such sacrifices for the sake of bettering her son and saving herself from further damaging her own mental health.

And well, in some cases like Adam I wonder if a mother would be saddened by what her son did (killing himself, she'd obviously be ashamed of what he did at the school) or relieved that it was all over and she didn't have to deal with it anymore.

[psychoangel691]

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It just makes you wonder how many kids there are like this out there that the parent's are just "dealing" with it rather than getting the help that's really needed. Adam was probably in need of some real mental help.

[Spoiled_Milk]

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Yea, he clearly was.

[Mollocephalus]

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The problem is broader than that, of course. Society is rotten. Some people here would rather live in a world where everything is closed down and monitored 24/7 rather than a civil society where you don't NEED such draconian measures. 's all good if you have freedom to keep your gun, amirite?