Newtown, Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

[Reincarnate]

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None of the articles I read stated that. Still doesn't explain why the police said they found the rifle in the car when they were shot with it according to the medical examiner.

?????

It's just a weapon he didn't take with him

He took two pistols and a rifle into the school, left one in the car

[psychoangel691]

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?????

It's just a weapon he didn't take with him

He took two pistols and a rifle into the school, left one in the car

Everything I've seen said he took two pistols into the school and left the rifle in the car. That's what was reported on the news here.

Edit: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1220431

"The two pistols were found inside the school and a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle was found in the back on his mother's car in the parking lot."

[Reincarnate]

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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57559395/conn-school-shooter-had-4-weapons/

[Mollocephalus]

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'murica

why should a elementary school have all these security checks? I've been to two elementary schools before and ANYONE could go in at any given time, and i've never though i was in a potentially dangerous situation. What kind of freedom are you US people talking about? The more shit happens, the more freedom it's being taken away from you. Do you really want a world where you are controlled in any thing you do, where there is always a camera monitoring you, where all the things you say can be recorded and used against you at any given time, where everything is closed down like in a jail?

Step by step, tragic stories such as these make it easier for the ruling class to pass orwellian laws that will limit even more your personal freedom. Being able to easily own a gun, an instrument SPECIFICALLY made to kill, harm or destroy is not a sign of freedom, rather the complete opposite.

[justaguy]

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Everything I've seen said he took two pistols into the school and left the rifle in the car. That's what was reported on the news here.

Edit: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1220431

"The two pistols were found inside the school and a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle was found in the back on his mother's car in the parking lot."

no offense but is this like the mystery unsolved for you he mowed down little kids why do these details even matter

[benguino]

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The details do matter sometimes though and simply being ignorant about the details wouldn't be appropriate in some situations. In Kayla's case, given the details that were given so far on the shooting, she thinks that there is something fishy; the facts simply don't add up for her. I see where she's coming from, and she has the right to be a little suspicious. Anyways, this is my first post in this thread, and I just want to say how awful this entire incident is. All my condolences to the families of the children and all these affected. This is something that's definitely going to be on my mind for awhile, the thought that someone would do such a thing...

[Hateandhatred]

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inb4 (too late actually) people claim america doesn't have enough weapons cuz it's in the american constitution to be allowed to carry them, thus it is the responsibility of teachers to strap up.

inb4 (too late actually) people put all the blame on weapons and other shit like marilyn manson, bronies, video games, energy drinks, schools, fast food, abortion and christianism.

/facepalm

That being said, huge tragedy there. Hope the families will pick back up and be able to live a healthy happy life in some future...

[~Zeta~]

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'murica

why should a elementary school have all these security checks? I've been to two elementary schools before and ANYONE could go in at any given time, and i've never though i was in a potentially dangerous situation. What kind of freedom are you US people talking about? The more shit happens, the more freedom it's being taken away from you. Do you really want a world where you are controlled in any thing you do, where there is always a camera monitoring you, where all the things you say can be recorded and used against you at any given time, where everything is closed down like in a jail?

Step by step, tragic stories such as these make it easier for the ruling class to pass orwellian laws that will limit even more your personal freedom. Being able to easily own a gun, an instrument SPECIFICALLY made to kill, harm or destroy is not a sign of freedom, rather the complete opposite.

If there weren't any security checks, he can just walk in and cause even more damage. Like enter through a side door not even going by the office. Who knows what that could have caused. I'm not going into specifics of "freedom" since everyone and their grandmother have different definitions of it, but the freedom America was born from was being free from British rule/pressure. What people call freedom within this freedom is another topic (freedom to do whatever they want, freedom of speech, etc.)

If they didn't do anything, they'd get trashed to hell for "not doing anything." American population is insecure when catastrophe happens; who will be there to protect them all? Passing laws to protect is better than not changing anything. I was too young to witness the Columbine so I don't know how/what people/government did (nor do I feel like reading it).

The fact this makes this a freaking gigantic storm is because children were involved. Defenseless children. In kindergarten. While a life is a life (not degrading), it hits hard when you have innocent children murdered that couldn't run or fight. Again, without knowledge of the Columbine.

[Reincarnate]

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You can say that for anything, though. If there weren't any security checks at the grocery store, you could get capped while checking out the latest brand of Cocoa Puffs. If there weren't any security checks at the mall, someone could shoot you while you were in the dressing room. If there weren't any security checks on the street, then who knows... it's like anyone can just walk outside these days!

[justaguy]

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inb4 (too late actually) people claim america doesn't have enough weapons cuz it's in the american constitution to be allowed to carry them, thus it is the responsibility of teachers to strap up.

inb4 (too late actually) people put all the blame on weapons and other shit like marilyn manson, bronies, video games, energy drinks, schools, fast food, abortion and christianism.

/facepalm

That being said, huge tragedy there. Hope the families will pick back up and be able to live a healthy happy life in some future...

why did you even make this post

[psychoangel691]

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no offense but is this like the mystery unsolved for you he mowed down little kids why do these details even matter

Because I have a small child and actually have to worry about the security of our school systems and why this was able to happen to 20 children that were only 6 and 7 years old?

[Reincarnate]

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Because I have a small child and actually have to worry about the security of our school systems and why this was able to happen to 20 children that were only 6 and 7 years old?

He's asking why it matters that you're bringing attention to the rifle being in the car as an important detail casting the entire reporting of the situation as incomplete/fishy. You're looking at like one shittily-written article that explained a fact poorly, when every other article you can pull up makes it quite clear what happened.

[psychoangel691]

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He's asking why it matters that you're bringing attention to the rifle being in the car as an important detail casting the entire reporting of the situation as incomplete/fishy. You're looking at like one shittily-written article that explained a fact poorly, when every other article you can pull up makes it quite clear what happened.

It's not just one article it's multiple articles that all said the same thing. As well as the news on TV here that was run all day on it. Plus it's not just the weapon that makes me question it, that was just one thing that made no sense to me.

[Tidus810]

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Things like this are why I read increasingly more about a developing story as time elapses. Many news outlets were and are in a frenzy to flood you with information in an attempt to reign in viewers. I'd rather read more about a complete story as it comes together.

Regardless, this is incredibly upsetting and I really wish this guy would stop being turned into an antihero sort of character...

[Reincarnate]

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It's not just one article it's multiple articles that all said the same thing.

I just spent five minutes Googling every report I could get my hands on, and I don't think what you're claiming holds much water. It's pretty clear what went down.

Most of the reports that claim something is "fishy" are typically from poorly-written personal blogs or conspiracy nuts who think there was a second shooter (this happens almost every single time a lone gunman goes off the rails -- same shit came up when Holmes committed the atrocity at Aurora), all usually done to make it look like the media/government is "covering something up." See also "9-11 Truthers."

A good rule of thumb: If you have to go against Occam's Razor and resort to conspiracy theories, it's probably incorrect.

Simplest explanation that is also most widely supported = one disturbed dude who had access to a lot of guns shot down a bunch of kids, alone.

Kinda reminds me of

"What if it was just one guy with six guns?"

Anyways, the problem isn't about "school security." Atrocities can happen everywhere, from subways, to the streets, to schools, to movie theaters, to airports, etc.