11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

[Reincarnate]

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Kitty: It's kind of hard to twist "Latter point for you as well, I meant I didn't want to just have it where I "lived life the way I want to live it." This may seem weird, but I kind of don't want others to live life they want to live it either" into anything remotely positive. How can this imply anything other than butting into how others live their lives?

[Andrew Mitchell]

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christaians will be detained and mentally trained, atheists will be punished and detained for the big fishys

[~kitty~]

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Kitty: It's kind of hard to twist "Latter point for you as well, I meant I didn't want to just have it where I "lived life the way I want to live it." This may seem weird, but I kind of don't want others to live life they want to live it either" into anything remotely positive. How can this imply anything other than butting into how others live their lives?

I can see why you would think that, and at the time I was writing most of these things, I was tired and my wording was misleading. I don't want to butt into peoples lives and make them change exactly, but that's what the government does. I don't really know how to word this, but I don't think it's wrong to shape people while still letting them be free to do what they desire (to an extent).

[-zeroSKILL-]

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Personally, I would like to believe there is a God. Some benefits may come out of it, but believing in an organized Religion comes with lots of logical flaws, such as the fact that I was taught that God loves all things, God knows everything, and God can do anything. According to the Bible, if this all was true, God doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure it states that if God isn't all of those things, he doesn't exist. That, or I heard it from somewhere else. However, if I say it benefits me to not believe in a God (non-traditional), then I would be a bit more stressful. However, this does bring up the "you don't really believe in God, you're just psychologically reacting to the environment by deluding that such a thing exists." I've thought about it, and I struggled over what to believe because I prefer to believe in something and believing in no theism makes the point of life less valuable, thus less enjoyable, and I want to enjoy my life. This really seems like I'm just trying to be deliberately delusional, or maybe I'm right.

A problem I've encountered numerous times, however, is how people die sometimes. If God exists and there's a soul, what about the people with mental disorders or what about all these organ functions that actually make us live? If we had souls and God existed, why do we die so easily? It just becomes a complicated mess. Anyway, I just think, from a point of view of actually being inside the Religious circle, that people are "retarded" about religion because rejecting these ideologies destroys their purpose of life, and they want to stick to it no matter what. Probably means nothing can change them. I don't know, I'm rambling now.

I'm still reading through the thread, and might offer more later, but for now I'd like to at least reply to this with something I've been saying since I was 13.

"There is no meaning to life and the only purpose in life, is to give life a purpose."
-Brian Baldwin

I first came up with that line while I was a forum moderator (forum leader of the philosophy and physics sections) on a science forum I had found many many years ago.

I had grown sick of all the "philosophical debates" people kept coming into the forums with asking why are we here? what is our purpose? what is the meaning of life? etc... I set my mind to trying to provide an answer that would end even a philosophical debate, and that was the best I could come up with. Probably one of the most profound things I've ever said/written publicly (I tend to prefer making an asshat out of myself, makes life enjoyable for me ;P).

Any how, it's been a doctrine I've adapted, and I'm sure others as well. If the purpose you seek is filled by religion, so be it. But please don't make your purpose in life trying to change or influence others purpose with religion or anything else of similar nature. Let people create their own path.

[Reincarnate]

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To MrGiggles, who brought up Dawkins' hostility:

Richard Dawkins: Respect for Religion Enables Religious Extremism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXHJ-hLjuxM
Richard Dawkins - Hostile to Religion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtC65...eature=related
Richard Dawkins - Absolute Morality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxdgCxK4VUA
Professor Richard Dawkins on creationism, evolution and religion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KqebPkh6qo

Some other videos that sum this stuff up quite nicely (with some more poetic elements of science, for those who need emotional appeal):

Why should we fight religion | Hitchens : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YmQe...rec_grec_index
Hitchens: religion degrades humanity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-J5o...eature=related
Hitchens: deism, theism, wishful thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPlMS...eature=related

What does Neil Tyson think about Intelligent Design?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPLn9nv26NM
(These two videos actually make me tear up lol):
Neil deGrasse Tyson - The Universe : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOzkEwaMnaE
The Known Universe by AMNH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U

Of course you guys are probably not going to watch any of these and then yammer on with the same BS, lmfao

I have a hard time seeing why anyone who isn't ignorant of the situation could possibly argue that we need to be more respectful to religion.


EDIT: One of the top rated comments for The Known Universe is pretty funny: "With any religion, let's put this into perspective: It's like saying God just built the entire USA all by himself in 6 days. Once done, he took out a microscope and looked at a small speck of dirt in an arbitrary spot in some arbitrary town. He says "This is a ****ing awesome speck I made! I will devote all my efforts into this speck, the rest of all this land can just do what it wants.""

[robertsona]

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without religion internet forums would be boring

[MrGiggles]

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Rubix, even if you aren't trying to convince or convert anyone, attacking them won't do anything besides lock them further into their beliefs and make everyone more hostile towards atheism/agnosticism. I guess I'm OK with that attitude towards religions as a whole and religious organizations, but I do think you should be more tolerant of personal beliefs (edit: the benign ones, though you may disagree on whether they exist or not. Not the personal beliefs of, say, a WBC member).

I mean really, it takes like, zero effort to not be mean to people in a text-based debate (same edit: okay, i just checked my facebook feed and maybe 'zero effort' is a little on low side), and the benefits of doing so can be pretty substantial on both ends.

brb finishing those vids i only watched about half of them before writing this but I loved the NDT - Universe one the most bestest

internet srs bsns

I wish more people had this burned into their retinas or at least had it pop up whenever they tried to submit something online

edit 2: "Professor Richard Dawkins on creationism, evolution and religion" video is awesome and brings up that whole "devil will try to persuade you" complication thats so annoying.

[MrGiggles]

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wow **** you i came into this thread all "lol religion threads" and then I had to go and get involved **** you all you piece of shit ****** ****s jesus ****ing dick on a biscuit

[Mans0n]

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/lock

[-zeroSKILL-]

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No need to lock it. There's no flaming, and just because you don't like what's being said doesn't mean it should be locked. Another similar thread will just pop up later.

If you don't like your views/beliefs being threatened by logic you don't have to read the posts here.

Now it's my turn to watch bix's vids.

Has been an lol thread btw. Enjoyed the read so far.

[cixOclock]

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EDIT: One of the top rated comments for The Known Universe is pretty funny: "With any religion, let's put this into perspective: It's like saying God just built the entire USA all by himself in 6 days. Once done, he took out a microscope and looked at a small speck of dirt in an arbitrary spot in some arbitrary town. He says "This is a ****ing awesome speck I made! I will devote all my efforts into this speck, the rest of all this land can just do what it wants.""

You're putting human limits on something that no one really understands.

Lets think about this from a distance, if there is a being of such magnitude and power that could virtually create everything from nothing, how can you put a limit on its power?

Same with the illustration of the scientists going to God and saying: "Well God, we know how you created man, we know how you changed the dirt into life."
God looks down upon the scientists and speaks: "Really? This is fascinating, show me."
And then the scientists went and gathered dirt together when God stopped them and said: "What are you doing? Get your own dirt."

Basically everyone makes the mistake of putting human limitations on something that basically has no limits. It does not run on batteries nor does it have a lack of knowledge.

So by saying that God can only view one thing is mute... God sees all and is in all. Nothing has come into creation but through the father...


This will be my only post in this thread... So have fun.

[Reincarnate]

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Rubix, even if you aren't trying to convince or convert anyone, attacking them won't do anything besides lock them further into their beliefs and make everyone more hostile towards atheism/agnosticism. I guess I'm OK with that attitude towards religions as a whole and religious organizations, but I do think you should be more tolerant of personal beliefs (edit: the benign ones, though you may disagree on whether they exist or not. Not the personal beliefs of, say, a WBC member).

I mean really, it takes like, zero effort to not be mean to people in a text-based debate (edit: okay, i just checked my facebook feed and maybe 'zero effort' is a little on low side), and the benefits of doing so can be pretty substantial on both ends.

brb finishing those vids i only watched about half of them before writing this but I loved the NDT - Universe one the most bestest
I wish more people had this burned into their retinas or at least had it pop up whenever they tried to submit something online

I agree -- in real life. On the internet, it's a different story.

On a completely honest note, I don't think many religious people are stupid. I do think, however, they most (if not all) of them are ignorant. But again, education is the best way to resolve the problem. I don't have a single ounce of respect for religious beliefs and think it's a toxin that will eventually need to be wiped out and relegated to the mythology textbooks.

[xObserveRx]

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I smell fish... anyone else smell fish?

[rushyrulz]

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without religion internet forums would be boring

Without internet forums, religion would be boring.

[MrGiggles]

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stuff

I believe the point of that comment is to illustrate how odd it is that although the universe is ridiculously large, Earth is the only speck that God seems to have put any work into. Not to question the omnipotence of a God.

e: i need to start quoting posts I'm replying to.