So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

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  • who_cares973
    FFR Player
    • Aug 2006
    • 15407

    #106
    Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

    Sadly arch is right and thirdstyle has the right idea.

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    • lnick
      FFR Player
      • Nov 2008
      • 50

      #107
      Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

      Originally posted by Charlo
      It seems like everybody in this thread agrees that files these days are too focused on technical perfection, so the question is, why is everybody still releasing these files?
      This is true but you can't expect people to stop doing the things they like to do, at least immediately, although i wasn't very sure what i was aiming to accomplish when i made this thread, but it's more of a mindset shift as in, it's fine and all to make tEcHNiCaL mAsTErPiEcEs and stuff but to be able to respect the fact that not everyone can make (or wants to make) something like that

      and to be able to acknowledge that fact so we can embrace those people, as a real community and not just a small minority of people who like one style of doing things

      Sig resized to fit allowed dimensions.

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      • kommisar
        Dark Chancellor
        FFR Simfile Author
        FFR Music Producer
        • Jun 2005
        • 7328

        #108
        Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

        We make files like that to cater to our own niche of simfile makers. We find them fun and if we keep playing them, we'll probably keep making them. Get over it.

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        • Arch0wl
          Banned
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Dec 2002
          • 6344

          #109
          Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

          The style of stepfile honestly is irrelevant in the long-term viability of the game; the files could be by QED or by stargroup and it wouldn't matter because they would both have zero impact on a large scale. What matters is the base level of easiness, the familiarity of music, the incentive systems, and so on. Mostly the incentive systems -- League of Legends is more popular than HoN almost entirely because its developers understand human psychology to a greater degree and can use that to their advantage in crafting addicting incentive systems.

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          • stargroup100
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            FFR Simfile Author
            FFR Music Producer
            • Jul 2006
            • 2051

            #110
            Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

            Here's my take.

            Yes, we cater to kind of a niche audience, but it's been shown that we easily appeal to a wide variety of people. What we need, like what most of you seem to be saying, is a way to get into people's heads and "convince" them into liking the game through some psychology. But I won't talk too much from this direction because it's not my main concern or topic of interest.

            About the "elitism" of "technical perfection" when it comes to charts. I've been through the whole thing, from loving everything, to loving nothing, to loving select things, and finally to a point of balance. A lot of people have an incredible potential to make some really nice stuff. What makes a chart fun is, like I've said a million times, the interpretation and the creative concepts and style. Technicality is only a nitpick. Just because this ice cream sundae has too much whipped cream and not enough sprinkles doesn't mean you still can't still enjoy it. Ever since the Dark Chancellors Pack era, people seem to be catching on and understand what makes a good chart, and not just at our "elitist" level, but at a general level. People can and should make more charts, because this is how our community grows and shares.

            That being said, it's obvious that I have no problem with "QED stepcharts." If you make "crappy" charts and you don't want to take advice from people who understand rhythm gaming better, that's totally fine. I don't think anyone cares. But if you don't know what you're doing but you have the balls to go around flaunting your skill, then we have a problem. I have no problem with QED, his charts, or the people who like his charts, but when you're terrible at making charts and you give a seminar about it at a major convention, explain your own bullshit theories, and even invite your technical director all the way from Germany, well I'm sorry, we are all laughing at you.

            Arch0wl's recently organized "people who never made 6k charts before" pack turned out to be extremely successful, and really shows the plenty of people have very good potential and ideas, they simply need to make and release more stuff and not be afraid of what the "elitists" say. You can either listen to them or don't. We try to help but it's still YOUR work.
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            • Arch0wl
              Banned
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Dec 2002
              • 6344

              #111
              Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

              Honestly technical perfection only starts mattering to you at a level where your tastes don't really matter anymore. So if it pleases the hardcore base, it's fine from a "I want this game to be big" standpoint.

              There is one exception, though. There needs to be spectacle, because this is the kind of game that relies on audience. In other words, the game must have dramatic boss songs and they need to have a "holy shit" factor, even if that means putting technical perfection aside. Gaussian Mist 2 is the best boss song Stepmania's ever had, but even Through the Fire and Flames suffices.

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              • AsphyxZero
                Banned
                • Oct 2010
                • 1823

                #112
                Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

                dare i say...

                FACEBOOKMANIAS

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                • FFR4EVA_00
                  FFR Player
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 1770

                  #113
                  Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

                  people are still talking about this
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                  • BeatofIke
                    Forum User
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 268

                    #114
                    Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

                    Originally posted by FFR4EVA_00
                    people are still talking about this
                    I guess so, but this thread was necessary. I spend about 2 hours reading this whole thread (about 90% of everyone's posts) cause I found it very interesting. How everything changes from then to now.

                    PS: Simply put: "Do you like making simfiles? Well I have to say that I love it very, very much. But soon everything will change, well at least it does eventually." Guess what reference I got this from?
                    Last edited by BeatofIke; 05-27-2011, 12:43 PM.

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                    • kommisar
                      Dark Chancellor
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Music Producer
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 7328

                      #115
                      Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

                      everyone will play ddr files

                      only we will play keyboard elitist files

                      everyone will play animu files

                      only we will play dat pu's anime art simfiles

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                      • Jousway
                        FFR Player
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 867

                        #116
                        Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

                        Originally posted by kommisar
                        everyone will play ddr files

                        only we will play keyboard elitist files

                        everyone will play animu files

                        only we will play dat pu's anime art simfiles
                        "anime art simfiles" is it even posable to make an anime opening or song in to this so called "art" seeing that anime songs are boring like **** to step :>
                        like there is no way to make an anime file expressive as most files in pack's like dc and lc 1,2 and 3
                        Its not a bug its a FEATURE!



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                        • dAnceguy117
                          new hand moves = dab
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 10097

                          #117
                          Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

                          Originally posted by kommisar
                          everyone will play ddr files
                          isn't that a problem? (in terms of attracting new players, that is.) stepmania's popularity is definitely hindered by forcing beginners to sit through charts that are horrid to play on keyboard which accompany an extremely limited array of jpop and techno songs.

                          Originally posted by Arch0wl
                          Gaussian Mist 2 is the best boss song Stepmania's ever had
                          I never thought of it that way, but it definitely could serve that purpose. the song is freakin' epic.

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                          • kommisar
                            Dark Chancellor
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            FFR Music Producer
                            • Jun 2005
                            • 7328

                            #118
                            Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

                            unless we make better easy files it's the unfortunate truth

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                            • Wineandbread
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                              • Oct 2007
                              • 2105

                              #119
                              Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

                              Well we could............ make easy files (o:
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                              • MarioNintendo
                                Expect delays.
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                FFR Music Producer
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 4178

                                #120
                                Re: So let's talk about QED stepfiles. (Let's talk about StepMania actually.)

                                Next batch, I'm sending an easy file.

                                Hopefully, I'm this generation's hero.

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