Is it wrong to be gay?

[Chrissi]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

When asked a question such as "is it right or wrong to be gay?" is misleading in itself. This is because if you take a completely objective view towards the subject (by taking religion and other pertaining personal beliefs out of the picture) the question becomes null and void. The reason is according to the best of human knowledge people who are truly and honestly gay do not choose so. They call it multiple things in the world of psychology from gender confusion to a genetic anomaly. So there is no answer to whether or not it is "right or wrong to be gay" because if people don't choose it it cannot be right or wrong. That's like asking in this day and age if its right or wrong to be mexican

Not really. It not being a choice doesn't mean it's right. I am POSITIVE that pedophiles do not CHOOSE to be pedophiles. It's just something they are. Does that make it okay and right?

MrRubix brought up the Naturalistic Fallacy. It also applies to this post. Just because being gay is "natural", as in, you can't control it, doesn't mean it's okay. Otherwise you would have to accept a lot of other natural compulsions like pedophilia as being okay. Hopefully you won't admit to that - which completely voids your point. This is not a good argument for homosexuality. "They can't help it" or "they don't choose it" is not a defense and is irrelevant.

A much better defense for homosexuality is the fact that it harms no-one and the idea of it being wrong or a sin is based solely on religious dogma. The fear or hatred of homosexuality is rooted in disgust of sex in general and/or hatred/fear of difference. People who find homosexuality disgusting and therefore wrong, often have a strange fixation on the sex act itself and think that because they find the sex act itself disgusting, homosexuality must be wrong.

tl;dr: Homosexuality not being a "choice" does not excuse it. The fact that nothing is wrong with it excuses it.

[fido123]

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My dad has always told me being gay is wrong because it doesn't fulfill our role as humans, to reproduce, it doesn't matter if two guys love each other, there is no physical way for them to reproduce or anything. Making the point of being gay pointless and dumb, and disgusting. I'm not telling you to go die or anything, this is my opinion, MY unbiased opinion. I'm sure a lot of people are thinking this, others think gay people are just regular people in this world, but I am an average born American raised on these thoughts.

Would two heterosexuals who simply don't want kids, or aren't able to have kids just as guilty then? I agree a lot of gays are annoying but you can't just generalize just like how you can't just avoid black people for the rest of your life in fear they'll mug you, it's the same reasoning. Why is being gay "pointless, dumb, and disgusting"? You're telling us this without telling us why. In my opinion you find gay interaction repulsive, which is acceptable and understandable, but how come just because you are repulsed by such things they're wrong? Just because other's share your thoughts doesn't give them any more grounds for being "correct" such as most Germans wanting the extermination of all Jews. I think you just hold these opinions because you're uncomfortable with the idea of two guys doing things together. You don't have to be comfortable with it, I'm gay for the most part and I haven't shown any public affection, nor have I done anything on that list of things you hate about stereotypical gays which personally annoy me too. Perhaps you need to approach the subject with a more rational and open-minded view. Why is being gay wrong? Why does not having the ability to reproduce make any relationship "pointless"? What about just being in a relationship because you love somebody and want companionship? Living life just to pump out a few kids and die sounds kinda pointless to me.

[rushyrulz]

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Dude I couldn't agree more.

I don't hate gay people, I just think that they can get extremely annoying.

They always hang around their boyfriends and make out, which is obliteratively disgusting.

First off, you're an idiot.
Second, women can be homosexual too, so saying "hang around their boyfriends" is an incorrect statement.
Third, I've seen gay PDA (that wasn't on TV) only once in my life and it was between 2 girls, but I assume that's okay for a perfect little straight guy like you. (hypocrite)

They talk like chicks.

They dress in weird ass **** just so everyone knows they're gay.

I'm sure not every gay person is like this, but there's about 4 or 5 people in my school that are gay, and they all act like this, and it gets very annoying.

There are tons of gay men who don't talk like girls, nor do they wear flashy clothes. That's just like saying all Germans wear lederhosen and eat bratwurst all day, you can't just generalize a culture like that.

Did you go around and take a poll of your whole school, or do you just notice the small percentage who happen to be acting flamboyantly? There are plenty of people who don't "come out of the closet" because there's ridicule and exile waiting on the other side.

That doesn't mean everyone else is the same way, you could be a completely normal looking person, and be gay.

Either way, this is my unbiased opinion.

No.

My dad has always told me being gay is wrong because it doesn't fulfill our role as humans, to reproduce, it doesn't matter if two guys love each other, there is no physical way for them to reproduce or anything. Making the point of being gay pointless and dumb, and disgusting. I'm not telling you to go die or anything, this is my opinion, MY unbiased opinion. I'm sure a lot of people are thinking this, others think gay people are just regular people in this world, but I am an average born American raised on these thoughts.

....Which brings up the population growth point again. The human race is growing too rapidly, gays are like the vaccine to an epidemic (metaphorically, of course.) in that instead of two men going off and having 3 kids each get together and have 0 kids. That's 6 less people that need to be fed (amongst other things). This would in the long run extend the lifespan of the race considerably seeing that those 6 kids could go on to have 3 more kids each, now we're up to 18, 54, 162... Now crunch those numbers with all the rest of the gays. 10 people being gay will slow the population growth considerably over a period of time.

[Vendetta21]

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whoooaaaa people actually still care if someone else is gay how have we not moved past this yet

besides gay people don't procreate and therefore they don't waste more resources helping to slow the inevitable climb towards a Malthusian catastrophe how is this not an UNMITIGATED GOOD THING

being gay is the moral high ground

[brothaice]

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Not really. It not being a choice doesn't mean it's right. I am POSITIVE that pedophiles do not CHOOSE to be pedophiles. It's just something they are. Does that make it okay and right?

MrRubix brought up the Naturalistic Fallacy. It also applies to this post. Just because being gay is "natural", as in, you can't control it, doesn't mean it's okay. Otherwise you would have to accept a lot of other natural compulsions like pedophilia as being okay. Hopefully you won't admit to that - which completely voids your point. This is not a good argument for homosexuality. "They can't help it" or "they don't choose it" is not a defense and is irrelevant.

A much better defense for homosexuality is the fact that it harms no-one and the idea of it being wrong or a sin is based solely on religious dogma. The fear or hatred of homosexuality is rooted in disgust of sex in general and/or hatred/fear of difference. People who find homosexuality disgusting and therefore wrong, often have a strange fixation on the sex act itself and think that because they find the sex act itself disgusting, homosexuality must be wrong.

tl;dr: Homosexuality not being a "choice" does not excuse it. The fact that nothing is wrong with it excuses it.

You cant compare the Pedophilia and being Gay. Pedophilia is illegal because of the age difference. There is no one here debating whether molesting a small child is right or wrong.

[dore]

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Why can't you compare the two? One is a sexual attraction to a certain group of people, and the other is sexual attraction to a certain group of people. Both of them can be perceived either positively or negatively depending on the culture. Just because we have very straightforward pedophilia laws in most developed nations doesn't mean that it's innately wrong, it means that our society looks down upon the activity and our governments have codified it.

[Squirm]

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Honestly being gay is just wrong. Why would you put yourself in that situation anyways if you know it's not the way life is supposed to be? Gays just make societies look bad and even worse when they are in public. Now I'm not one to really care, but when I see gays together in public it just makes me sick! Now I understand you guys say "Oh, but our 'feelings'." That just shows that you guys were hurt by some dumb little girl earlier on in your lives and you feel like you can't find anyone else, and of course backwards for the girls. You just need to grow up and learn to move on because of course there is always going to be someone of the opposite sex that would more than love to be with you.

I absolutely hate when I hear a gay couple saying they want to adopt. It's absolutely ridiculous!! Can you just imagine what that child is going to go through? It must be a very horrible outcome for that child!

I don't know why anyone would even think to defend gays.

I always come on here just to play, but seeing this thread made me very angry and I just had to make an account to say what I was thinking. Like I said before I honestly don't know how you people can even defend them, even just comparing them to straight people makes me sick.

[fido123]

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Why is it wrong?
Why is being with the opposite sex the way "life is suppose to be?"
What do gays do that negatively impacts the world/you?

I'm not talking stereotypes, just same-sex-attraction in it's barest form. It seems you find gay acts repulsive, and that's fine, but why are they "wrong"? You're simply saying it is and it's disgusting and not backing your **** up with facts or statistics only assumptions.

[Squirm]

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Why do you think it's so right to be gay? Were you hurt so bad by the opposite sex that you're getting so offended by what I said, or are you mad that I'm not going along with what you people have to say? Either way, you’re getting mad that we that don’t accept you people.

Who needs statistical information to know it's wrong and not the way we were born to be? Is it right for two penises to be clashing together? Is it right for two vagina’s to be only rubbing against each other? No, it’s not right! I have no idea what it took to convince yourself that it’s actually right to be that way, but you’re wrong. Yeah you may say that the person makes you happy or complete, but you people obviously had something happen that made you that way and you just aren’t admitting it. I know at points in your life you think to yourself ‘what if?’, and that question alone shows that your instincts are telling you it’s wrong, but you try so hard to push that away by making yourself believe it’s right.

It’s always a bother just seeing that stuff in public and hearing it about on television, internet, radio, and again in public places. It makes me worry that when I do have children, they are going to be around that stuff and have to worry while also making their parents worry about it. I don’t want my child to have to put up with that. It does and will keep affecting me no matter how you put it.

[MayneWithoutModem]

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hey squirm i was wondering what it was like on the day that you had something happen to you which caused you to want to become straight.

-blazze

[fido123]

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Why do you think it's so right to be gay?

Because there's nothing wrong with it

Were you hurt so bad by the opposite sex that you're getting so offended by what I said, or are you mad that I'm not going along with what you people have to say? Either way, you’re getting mad that we that don’t accept you people.

As a kid I never had any relationships, and I was never hurt by the opposite sex. I'm getting kinda pissed because you have a stance that seems to be uneducated and holds no ground yet you hold it so strongly.

Who needs statistical information to know it's wrong and not the way we were born to be? Is it right for two penises to be clashing together? Is it right for two vagina’s to be only rubbing against each other? No, it’s not right!

Tell me why it's wrong do you just find those two ideas personally repulsive? If there's no reason as to why it's wrong there's no reason for anybody to listen to your uneducated misguided biased opinion.

I have no idea what it took to convince yourself that it’s actually right to be that way, but you’re wrong.

I have no idea as to why you've convinced yourself it's wrong with no logical reasoning.

Yeah you may say that the person makes you happy or complete, but you people obviously had something happen that made you that way and you just aren’t admitting it. I know at points in your life you think to yourself ‘what if?’, and that question alone shows that your instincts are telling you it’s wrong, but you try so hard to push that away by making yourself believe it’s right.

Actually when I found out I was gay at 16 I was pushed into a depression because I honestly really don't want to be gay, and to this day I don't want to be gay because of people's uneducated, illogical stances such as yours. I try to push myself to be heterosexual so I can perhaps have my own kids one day.


I'd really like to have a civil debate with you about this. I only ask that you keep an open mind and understand that nobody is going to take you seriously unless you have logical arguments. What is in fact wrong with two men or women loving each-other? What are it's negative impacts? Also out of curiosity if you met a gay guy, he didn't flaunt it and you honestly wouldn't know otherwise, would you shun him just for being gay completely or just disagree with his lifestyle?

[Chrissi]

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Squirm is one of the people who, as I mentioned earlier, focuses on the sex act and how he finds it repulsive, and concludes that because the sex act is repulsive, homosexuality is wrong.

He has a problem with the way he views sex - he's unnaturally obsessed with sex acts and can vividly see them whenever he thinks of them. Thinking of gay sex makes him squirm and gives him a moral outrage that he thinks is justifiable and should be naturally seen by others.

Squirm, the fact that you find gay sex disgusting does NOT mean homosexuality is wrong. It means one of two things...

The first option is that you are straight and you don't like gay sex. That's fine. But just because you don't like gay sex doesn't mean NOBODY can like it, or that it's wrong to like it. It's like if you only liked chocolate ice cream and HATED vanilla, and so you thought that everyone who likes vanilla is a terrible, terrible person and should not exist. It's just bizarre.

The second option is that you're secretly gay and are scared of it. I think this one is more likely but have no way of proving it.

Either way, enjoy your disgusting mental images, it isn't going to make homosexuality wrong and it will never go away! Homosexuality is innately morally just, because it harms no one. It has no way of harming anyone. Ever. Unless you consider being gay "harm", which is a pretty bizarre definition of harm.

[MayneWithoutModem]

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all of those homosexual animals that have been observed in nature for thousands of years obviously had something happen to them which caused them to want to become gay. right squirm?

-blazze

[fido123]

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The second option is that you're secretly gay and are scared of it. I think this one is more likely but have no way of proving it.

This happens more often than you think. Back before I found out I was gay I was a blaintant homophobe.

[Cavernio]

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Squirm makes a point that people are almost getting to, but doesn't seem to me like they quite are. No, homosexuality doesn't produce offspring, and therefore there's likely something 'wrong'. If there exist other animals in nature that are also homosexual, this does not change that fact at all as nature's not perfect. Maybe its wrong to have sex and not have kids, because its not spreading more life around. In which case condoms and the pill and other such things you would also consider wrong.
Where the issue lies is with the 'wrong' part.
What we as people consider to be right or wrong has to be defined somehow. Most people will define something 'wrong' being when people get hurt, and something 'right' when enjoyment happens all around. If you agree with those definitions of right and wrong, then you have to realize that whatever nature intended is largely irrelevant. Homosexuality doesn't really hurt anyone, except for making you outraged apparently. Of course, then comes the question 'well it makes me morally hurt, therefore you shouldn't do it'. It really is a perfectly valid statement, however when we examine this further, there's 2 more things to consider. You being morally hurt by someone else's sexual activities and lifestyle 1) has very little impact on you personally, except when you get into discussions about it. Even if you had 10 gay neighbours, if you didn't talk about it to them, nothing would really be different in your life. And 2) if people bowed to your way of thinking, that you are morally hurt by homosexuality, you would be having a much larger negative impact on the lives of homosexuals, by not allowing themselves the pleasure of sexy times, love, intimacy, and that 'feeling of being complete'. Your pain of having to deal with 'being gay is ok' is tiny compared to the wonderfulness of being able to be yourself and the pain of not being able to be yourself. Furthermore, in time, you're likely to get used to homosexuality, making your pain disappear, whereas its damned hard to ignore one's own apparently hard-wired sexuality.

If you don't agree to what I've defined as right and wrong though, I dunno what to say to you. Morality has to have some sort of common ground to stand on. I suppose if you're going to go with 'what I feel is right must be right' for questions of morality, then for me at least, all sex would be wrong, I would try to not enjoy that guilty pleasure, and children would be the spawn of something terrible.

It's neither right nor wrong to be homosexual, it just is, and there's really no reason to try and stop it.