Rappers Doing The Job Of Racists?

[uselessaccount]

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Personally I believe that the people that are supporting this music (the gangster rap.) are generally idiots to begin with. Tell me the last time that you saw ysomeone, or know someone that is intelligent who listens to this. I defend this statement by saying what kind of intelligent person would want to support the stereotyping of a race as well as the subliminal (take this term lightly.) perversion of people

If thats what you really think, then you are the idiot. Don't be so shallow. The type of music doesn't reflect on how intelligent the person is. It might be representative of the way they talk, dress, and other social things, but not how smart they are. Just because someone walk, talk, acts, like a gangster, or even is a gangster doesn't make them dumb. As a matter of fact, you are stereotyping people who listen to rap as dumb, which is basically like saying "people who listen to emo music cut themselves" or "people who listen to techno are nerds", etc. Blame the industry and media for the way things turned out nowadays.

If anything though, comedy is probably the number one fuel for the fire of racism. Why? Because it turns racial stereotypes into something that people enjoy and listen to a lot. I mean, I think people like Chappelle are damn funny but it really does implant racism in people.

[chunky_cheese]

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Ever leaned over on your city bus and seen some of the songs on the teenager's ipod next to you? I've noticed that the more preppy, druggie, and negative kids like to listen mainly to mainstream music. I believe this is likely because they don't actually have time to experiment with different kinds of music and resort to television, radio, and other forms of easy media to find music.

I don't seem to notice this liking of mainstream music to have anything to do with one's race, although culture may play a significant role. For example, a very cultural East Indian family may raise their children to enjoy the music of their culture, among other styles. But aside from family, there is also racial association that may also play a key factor. If a young black man's black friends all listen to the same kind of music, he may catch onto it, not only from his peers influencing his taste, but the sheer fact that he can associate both racially and culturally with them, and will feel a sense of belonging with them and the music. This may also be true for a musical artist of the same race, and the desire to support them.

[KardinalSyn]

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Music is music, people. There's no other way to put it. Just because I enjoy listening to someone talk about blowing another persons brains out(this is strictly an example, you know), or selling cocaine or anything else, does not mean that I actually believe that is something the person should go out and do in their spare time. That's the point of music, movies, and many other things afterall; to be creative. Some rappers rap about making money, getting ho's, and things like that because they actually believe it's the proper thing to do. I do not support them in any way. Others discuss these topics in their music to promite awareness. They're not actually talking about THEMSELVES doing all of these things, but the black community doing these things. They try to force black youth to open their eyes and see that these things are not what we should be doing.

Just because a topic is ugly doesn't mean that it shouldn't be discussed. If anything, it means that it should be discussed in depth so people don't get the wrong idea.

[MixMasterLar]

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Some rappers rap about making money, getting ho's, and things like that because they actually believe it's the proper thing to do. I do not support them in any way. Others discuss these topics in their music to promite awareness. They're not actually talking about THEMSELVES doing all of these things, but the black community doing these things. They try to force black youth to open their eyes and see that these things are not what we should be doing.

Im willing to guess that for every one song that is about self-awareness in mainstream media rap, there are about 8 that show these activities in a bright light. And even if we are are smart enough to relize it's just a song, do little 10 year olds and under really understand what it's all about.

Dont even tell me that only retards would take them for real; In this generation perents dont seem to talk with the child anymore. Very few 16 and under year olds are what FFR's CT would call "smarter than that" (and that's sad, we're a game site after all)

Also something to point out: in mainstream rap, Blacks can call Whites slang terms and talk down to anyone they care to, yet you let ant country artist say anything about their race and all hell breaks loose. This sets off a image that young blacks can do anything they want

TRUE STORY: I speant 10 minutes in a arcade listening to a black tell me how retarded my race was (among other things) and I told him "You need to stop being racist, it' agaisnt the law here" and he wanted to fight me for saying that a black could be racist (NOT that he was, just a black could)

Now I will say, some of the coolest people I know are black, heck some of the worst people I know are white. I in no means am trying to implie Im racist, or that anyone is less then anyone else for reasons they cant control, I AM anti-racist, and mainstream rap seems to promote it!

[lord_carbo]

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Im willing to guess that for every one song that is about self-awareness in mainstream media rap, there are about 8 that show these activities in a bright light. And even if we are are smart enough to relize it's just a song, do little 10 year olds and under really understand what it's all about.

Maybe a few of those, but really, all of them?

And yes, 10 year olds aren't complete idiots. Unless their parents are idiots, then yes, they are idiots. But see, the problem there is bad parenting.

Dont even tell me that only retards would take them for real; In this generation perents dont seem to talk with the child anymore.

For one, I don't feel as if a "violence is baadddddd" talk is really necessary after the age of 11 for most people. Secondly, well you're just stereotyping, and your stereotype really have no empirical basis for accuracy.

Very few 16 and under year olds are what FFR's CT would call "smarter than that" (and that's sad, we're a game site after all)

I don't find it sad that the FFR forum community is probably above average in terms of intelligence. It's an online forum. The type of people who come to online forums are not your general idiots.

Also something to point out: in mainstream rap, Blacks can call Whites slang terms and talk down to anyone they care to, yet you let ant country artist say anything about their race and all hell breaks loose. This sets off a image that young blacks can do anything they want

Really? I listen to mainstream rap (well, I'm subjected to it by no will of my own) on the bus to school (see?) and I never hear stuff like that. Sure, it may not be that "gangsta rap" stuff, but it's definitely the most mainstream rap there is, or at least the most I see. I unfortunately had to deal with little kids over the summer. Little second graders dancing to Crank That Soulja Boy. It was painful, both watching them and getting them to calm down. Some kids at the park were also listening to that Can't Tell Me Nothing (Kanye West) in the park. I hear both of those songs on the radio.

[devonin]

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The Carte Blanche for minorities to be overtly hostile to majorities while majorities are socially forbidden to be overtly hostile to minorities is far more pronounced in stand up comedy than it is in music. We have an innate tendency in today's ultra-politically-correct society to functionally refuse to ever criticize a minority for making inappropriate remarks about the majority, for fear of being seen to be racist/sexist/whicheverist.

I see the problem with rap/hip-hop music (insofar as there is a problem with rap/hip-hop music) as being centred around the encouraging of negative stereotypes about oneself, not the espousing of negative stereotypes about other races. Though I'm sure we can all see in cases where black culture music portrays negative gangsta-rap stereotypes about blacks, there is almost always an equally strong undertone of "Bad white "The Man"" lyrics.

[MixMasterLar]

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Find me a song where a black artist is directly attacking and putting down the white race, or where a country (white) singer is directly attacking and putting down the black race. I honestly can't think of anything off the top of my head where this criteria fits

No I dont have a title of a song,but I do hear a few "Rapper" attacking "Country" song every now and then (at a Bowling Center no less). As far as "country" song goes, I cant think of a song right now....

Also, the true purpose of why kids/teens act so poorly and ill-behaved is because of the terrible parenting today. It has very little to do with mainstream influence. Even if a kid/teen was negatively influenced by such a thing, it should be the parents job to exclaim to them that what they are doing is wrong.

When a kid/teen doesnt have any relationship with his parents (which is the case for most of America right now it seems) then they have to turn to somewere else to find influence. This is were mainstrem anything comes in to play. This is also why I feel that most 14 and under year olds are idiots: they were most likely never told any better.

The Carte Blanche for minorities to be overtly hostile to majorities while majorities are socially forbidden to be overtly hostile to minorities is far more pronounced in stand up comedy than it is in music

I compleatly agee, stand-up is far worse but I dont watch it at all and therefore couldnt really debate it.

there is almost always an equally strong undertone of "Bad white "The Man"" lyrics.

Im not saying that whites arent doing a good job showing themselves in a less-then-bright light, but I dont think that they rival black artist.

[uselessaccount]

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Do you think the rappers really care that much if their music is looked at as stupid, though? They're rich as hell. Honestly, if I were making pointless low quality rap tracks that made me a millionaire, I wouldn't care about the quality of my music at all and hardly care about the people listening to it, even though that might sound selfish. Money is money though, theres nothing dumb about making it if the scheme works.

[g4z33b0]

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ignorance

You claim that listeners and supporters of "gangster rap" are idiots, and use your assumption that intelligent people wouldn't want to support stereotyping of a race. I listen to "gangster rap" pretty often, and the music goes much deeper than just what an outsider might hear, pervasive explicit language. in order to fully appreciate the quality of such music you have to be recognize the poetic aspects of the lyricists. Take tupac for example. Though at first listen all you might hear is f**k and the "n" word, but after listening more intently the true poetic aspects of the rhymes and delivery come out. the subject matter is not neccessarily the most important part of the track. I agree, songs about money, cars and hoes are worse than a political song or motivational song, but these songs don't trap an entire race within their boundaries.

There are all different rappers, all different styles of rap, and all different song subjects. Sure many songs (usually the mainstream songs) are about the clubs, cars etc., but try listening to Dead Prez, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Immortal Technique, KRS1 and many others if you want to hear a different style of hip-hop. Their music is nothing like 50cent's etc., so to make a blanket statement like "rappers are rascist" would be completely ignorant.

It is any artist's perogitive to perpetuate stereotypes against their race or any others, music is art and the art is what the artist makes it.

KgZ - in a Dead Prez song "Hip-Hop", there is the line "And it don't stop till we get them crackers off our block" (https://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/De...p-rbg-Mix.html). Kind of insulting the white race but it was talking specifically to politicians so it doesn't really count.