TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 7/8/09

[Shashakiro]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

So Reach, you're saying that if FFR had 50,000 songs of difficulty 9 or higher added tomorrow, it would be remotely reasonable to have tier reqs for every single one of them? Obviously not. You can go to the extreme both ways, ya know.

Of course there's no ABSOLUTELY PERFECT OBJECTIVE system for measuring skill, that's why we try to get the best one possible. My point is that adding a gigantic number of songs to the list only detracts from how much the system measures skill and adds nothing whatsoever to it, because I do not believe it is reasonable to expect an active player to play every new song anymore.

Either you accept the fact that this system does not measure absolute skill or you throw it out completely.

And why, pray tell, can there be no compromise between the two? There is most certainly a large difference accuracy-wise between something like grandtotal-based overall rank and the tier system we have now. Your statement makes no sense at all IMO. No one has ever claimed to try to find an absolutely perfect system, I have no idea why you even brought that up--we merely try to refine it to be as accurate as possible.

[talisman]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

dude you just used the phrase "pray tell." That's so nineteenth century.

anyway I still say that tiers are silly and a ranking system based on tier points would be better

[jwcgator]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

lol pray tell

[GamerShadow]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

If anything, we should make the top players list closed off to Tier 2 and better. FC'ing challenging songs isn't doing it anymore, if you do that, you're technically an amateur these days, with all of the competition here in FFR. I believe it should be Masters Only and Gurus Only songs added to this list only.

That would all be IMO of course.

[ledwix]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

If only masters songs and gurus songs were counted, Smartdude would be in like Tier Insane. That's not very accurate, unless you only think masters songs make a difference, and AAA'ing all the VC's doesn't mean anything.

[GamerShadow]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

You could count VC songs as well, but the FC for them wouldn't count. It's like those VD songs we have, such as Max Forever, where harder req's are worth less. I'm saying, ramp up the diffuculty, so you don't have 1,000 people in the "Top Players" list. It should be exclusive to the top 50ish.

[lumphoboextreme]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

375 pts. but seriously, what the hell is this ******ry at the bottom of my list.

1/9 - BB Revenge - 1,900,000 or higher
0/5 - The Five - Requirements
0/5 - Cold Breath - Requirements
0/5 - Mou Uta Shika Kikoenai - Requirements
0/5 - ViennaCore - Requirements
0/5 - Color of Giggles - Requirements
0/5 - P8107 - Requirements
0/5 - Sunny Star Carnival - Requirements
0/6 - Love Cheat! - Requirements
0/6 - lolharp5000 - Requirements
0/6 - Judgment Days - Requirements
0/6 - Kakke Ecko - Requirements
0/7 - Melonman's OP - Requirements
0/7 - Kyuin - Requirements
0/7 - PLANETZ - Requirements
0/9 - Otaku Speedvibe [Oni] - Requirements

[jimerax]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

Yea, req songs should be only harder ones since people are getting better.
If most of Tier 3-4 (or like TOP 30-60) people can AAA a song, obviously we don't need to count it.
Quite the same reason as really old benchmarks are useless for newest PCs.

That's why I didn't count low-challenging skill token songs.
but I didn't take old VD/low Challenging songs this time, since most of current players have played them.

As for anti-skill tokens, only P8107 and Judgement Days are used for the req as far as I know. and they are pretty easy to get for at least TOP players.

[Doug31]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

375 pts. but seriously, what the hell is this ******ry at the bottom of my list.

1/9 - BB Revenge - 1,900,000 or higher
0/5 - The Five - Requirements
0/5 - Cold Breath - Requirements
0/5 - Mou Uta Shika Kikoenai - Requirements
0/5 - ViennaCore - Requirements
0/5 - Color of Giggles - Requirements
0/5 - P8107 - Requirements
0/5 - Sunny Star Carnival - Requirements
0/6 - Love Cheat! - Requirements
0/6 - lolharp5000 - Requirements
0/6 - Judgment Days - Requirements
0/6 - Kakke Ecko - Requirements
0/7 - Melonman's OP - Requirements
0/7 - Kyuin - Requirements
0/7 - PLANETZ - Requirements
0/9 - Otaku Speedvibe [Oni] - Requirements

I was actually happy to see all that stuff on mine, since now I can at least see what those new reqs are. However, from the looks of things, it would take me forever to get all the tier points I could, even if I already had all of those songs, like at least 100 more hours of game play, and it's not even close to worth it. Anyone who still cares about the tier points system almost automatically has no life.

[jimerax]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

Did that not make any sense? People will be not able to gain certain points within their skill level. Get it?

because ability to unlock tokens is considered to be a skill.
pointless? eh. then it's better taking it like bonus.
normal tokens and obviously anti-skill tokens are still under discussion.

I know there're some people who are capable of getting some points from some s-token songs but don't have them.

Plus, you even don't have to whore most of those songs if you have skill.
I believe TOP players can easily get those tokens, maybe except for Otaku Oni, and decent points in a couple of tries on those songs.

[Evascythe]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

375 pts. but seriously, what the hell is this ******ry at the bottom of my list.

1/9 - BB Revenge - 1,900,000 or higher
0/5 - The Five - Requirements
0/5 - Cold Breath - Requirements
0/5 - Mou Uta Shika Kikoenai - Requirements
0/5 - ViennaCore - Requirements
0/5 - Color of Giggles - Requirements
0/5 - P8107 - Requirements
0/5 - Sunny Star Carnival - Requirements
0/6 - Love Cheat! - Requirements
0/6 - lolharp5000 - Requirements
0/6 - Judgment Days - Requirements
0/6 - Kakke Ecko - Requirements
0/7 - Melonman's OP - Requirements
0/7 - Kyuin - Requirements
0/7 - PLANETZ - Requirements
0/9 - Otaku Speedvibe [Oni] - Requirements

skill tokens, learn how to get and play them

[rednanaki]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

You could count VC songs as well, but the FC for them wouldn't count. It's like those VD songs we have, such as Max Forever, where harder req's are worth less. I'm saying, ramp up the diffuculty, so you don't have 1,000 people in the "Top Players" list. It should be exclusive to the top 50ish.

Kind of instead of getting totally rid of the challenging songs and VC songs. Just make their things worth less. Like, make an AAA worth 2 points and the "level" below it worth 1 point (like SDG on Delirium or under 5 on GB3).

Then VC can go up to 3 tier points with the same system.

[behanjc]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

Tiers themselves are pointless. Just rank the top 100 or so according to number of points, and don't even bother with the different tiers.

[MrRubix]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

So is there going to be a final final update on this whole thing?

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread

Sup teir 3, with the exception that req's will change and I wont be teir 3 anymore

Tier Points: 230 (208 + 22 for 189 AAAs)

4/4 - Seven - AAA
4/4 - Robotix - AAA
4/4 - Z - AAA
4/4 - Sensorium - AAA
4/4 - Mother Of God - AAA
4/4 - Deep Breath - AAA
4/5 - Ruins - 5 or fewer
4/5 - ASB - 3 or fewer
3/4 - CIA Rave - 3 or fewer
3/4 - GO! - 4 or fewer
3/4 - the Dream of Scarlet - Single Digit Good
3/4 - Carol Megamix - 5 or fewer
3/4 - Delirium - Single Digit Good
3/5 - ViennaCore - 12 or fewer
3/5 - Divinity - 15 or fewer
3/5 - Final Fantasy 3 Boss - 15 or fewer
3/5 - Video Out A - 12 or fewer
3/5 - Be Princess - 12 or fewer
3/5 - The Games We Played, Part 4 - 15 or fewer
3/5 - Kick Your A - 12 or fewer
3/5 - 20031023 - Single Digit Good
3/5 - Lovely Lovely Lovely - 12 or fewer
3/5 - Evil Approaches - Single Digit Good
2/4 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star v2 - 25 or fewer
2/4 - ESC - Super Version - 20 or fewer
2/4 - {Blaze} - 20 or fewer
2/4 - Gaussian Blur 3 - 20 or fewer
2/4 - Summer -Speedy Mix- - 20 or fewer
2/4 - Tension - 20 or fewer
2/4 - The Games We Played, Part 2 - 12 or fewer
2/4 - Etude To A Dragon - 15 or fewer
2/4 - Hyper Pressure - 20 or fewer
2/4 - MAX Forever - 20 or fewer*
2/4 - Fantranstic - 15 or fewer
2/4 - Playdoh - 20 or fewer
2/4 - Visions (NRGyzd mix) - Single Digit Good
4/7 - The Games We Played, Part 3 - 30 or fewer
3/6 - Uber Rave - 15 or fewer
3/6 - Shihen - 40 or fewer
2/5 - Color of Giggles - 30 or fewer
2/5 - Ride Out - 35 or fewer
2/5 - Amefuri Koneko - 45 or fewer
2/5 - Idol (Aniko is Pojinju Mix) - 25 or fewer
2/5 - Dazzling Destiny - 30 or fewer
2/5 - Dazzling Soul - 25 or fewer
2/5 - Takecore of Yourself - 25 or fewer
2/5 - {Rose} - 25 or fewer
2/5 - Cutting Circles - 30 or fewer
2/5 - Carrousel Paradise - 25 or fewer
2/5 - Epic - 30 or fewer
2/5 - Tribal Transcendency - 25 or fewer
2/5 - Get Down - 30 or fewer
2/5 - Wish (For FFR) - 25 or fewer
1/4 - Endless Dream - 20 or fewer
1/4 - Attack of One Minute - Full Combo
1/4 - Uber Rave V2 - Full Combo
3/7 - End Night - 40 or fewer
3/7 - Turbulence - 40 or fewer
2/6 - Otaku Speedvibe [Heavy] - 35 or fewer
2/6 - lolharp5000 - Full Combo
2/6 - Kakke Ecko - Full Combo
2/6 - The Brain of the Moon - 30 or fewer
2/6 - Gaussian Blur 2 - Full Combo
2/6 - Pretty Green Onions - Full Combo
2/6 - Aztec Templing (Techno-Titlan mix) - Full Combo
2/6 - R176 - Full Combo
2/6 - {Frozen} - 40 or fewer
2/6 - Classical Insanity - 40 or fewer
2/6 - Coat Czech - 35 or fewer
2/6 - Torinouta (Noise Rave Mix) - 40 or fewer
2/6 - Splash Beats - Full Combo
2/6 - Legend - Full Combo
2/6 - Rondo Alla Turca V2 - 45 or fewer
1/5 - Cold Breath - Full Combo
1/5 - Dokudenpa - Full Combo
1/5 - Sunny Star Carnival - Full Combo
1/5 - HELLBEAT v2 - Full Combo
1/5 - Famouz - Full Combo
1/5 - Hungarian Dance #7 - Full Combo
1/5 - dot death (Stealth Remix) - Full Combo
0/5 - P8107 - Requirements
0/5 - Klung Kung - Requirements
2/7 - For FFR - Full Combo
2/7 - Sympathizer - Full Combo
2/7 - Rondo Alla Turca - Full Combo
2/7 - Silence - Full Combo
1/6 - Abtrusity - Full Combo
1/6 - Judgment Days - Full Combo
1/6 - UNknown Girl - Full Combo
1/6 - Air - Full Combo
1/6 - Gradeus - Full Combo
0/6 - Love Cheat! - Requirements
0/6 - Force Of Light - Requirements
3/9 - Piano Etude (Demon Fire) - 1,600,000 or higher
2/8 - Nova Pulser - Full Combo
0/7 - Flight of the Bumblebee - Requirements
0/7 - PLANETZ - Requirements
0/7 - K8107 - Requirements
0/7 - Vertex BETA - Requirements
0/7 - HELLBEAT - Requirements
0/7 - The Games We Played, Part 5 - Requirements
0/7 - Jelly Roll Blues - Requirements
0/7 - Balloon Fever - Requirements
0/8 - AIM Anthem - Requirements
0/8 - BB Evolution - Requirements
0/8 - Turkish March - Requirements
0/8 - Rottel-da-station - Requirements
0/8 - The Games We Played, Part 1 - Requirements
0/8 - Lawn Wake IV - Requirements
0/8 - Strangeprogram - Requirements
0/8 - Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star - Requirements
1/9 - BB Revenge - 1,900,000 or higher
1/9 - Molto Vivace - 950,000 or higher
1/9 - RunnyMorning (SGX MIX) - 1,000,000 or higher
0/9 - One Minute Waltz - Requirements
0/9 - Revolutionary Etude - Requirements
0/9 - Caprice - Requirements
0/9 - Grand Gallop Chromatique - Requirements
0/9 - Pants - Requirements
0/9 - Crowdpleaser - Requirements
0/5 - The Five - Requirements
0/5 - Mou Uta Shika Kikoenai - Requirements
0/5 - Battle Ax - Requirements
0/6 - {Midnight} - Requirements
0/7 - Melonman's OP - Requirements
0/7 - Kyuin - Requirements
0/9 - Otaku Speedvibe [Oni] - Requirements

Ima big fan of my piano etude score.