Thoughts on President Bush and Iraq

[Dwhite]

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I enjoy your views. Come on I'm game. Like I said I am open minded. I do not hate anyone, nor am I pointing fingers and judging any human culture. I am simply weighing all the factors as to why America is the way it is. I think deeper, about our country way before we came and overpopulated it. I feel sorry for the original American people...The Indians. Think about it for just a moment. We came here killed every resource they had/taking more than we needed and eventually shoved them over to give them only a small fraction of land to shut them up. Oh yea, some of their children went to college and were taught/forced our religion. Some went on to live civilized life as we do. The rest chose to keep their heritage to some extent, only what our people would allow. You never hear of National Indian Recognition day or any other day for these people. They lived off the land, took only what they needed, left no trace other than pottery/arrows ect behind. Our culture was shoved down their throats. Was that free? Big price to pay for that culture. They became a minority group quickly. I think we should let the Mexicans in, least they work! Sorta make a trade, send our prisoners there, they won't last long the way Mexican government handles crime. I had to put that in there LOL. Heck, let everybody in. No problem, our taxes go up higher to pay for the freedom of not working, crime goes up, more babies to repeat the cycle over and over. Just to mention a few. Okay I am waiting from you. hehe

[tsugomaru]

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Nah, I'm actually cool with what you said. I was going to bring up a lot of the points you mentioned in a counter argument if need be. I guess I don't really have to do any of that.

~Tsugomaru

[purebloodtexan]

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Actually, in The State Of The Union address, Bush said something about people who weren't citizens of the US being able to work in the country temporarily and head back home. I forgot exactly how it went.

Also, I'm both African American and I have some Cherokee blood; this primary oppression was spread by the Spaniards, not entirely the Americans. They judged the Indians and before they knew them, thinking that they were way out of their league.

As for the Africans, they were a (at the time) powerful people, and the Westerners basically went in and raided the continent, and put them into slave labor; I believe that it was the Romans that first took over Africa, I'll WikiPedia it. Then, of course, slaves became valuable and the trade began.

My reason for saying this: I don't think it was the liberty-loving, English-rooted people (aside from Jackson) that really put the oppression on the "minorities". If those loyal fathers were cruel at all, it was 'cause of the earlier conquests that considered the Natives and Africans inferior - particularly the Spaniards - that spread the filthiness across the west; this is also why many Latin countries prefer to be called "Latino" instead of "Hispanic".

[talisman]

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In the Punic Wars, Rome eventually invaded and conquered Carthage (modern Tunis). They also established considerable ties with Egypt. But Romans did not invade "Africa" beyond the Mediterranean theater. This is not to say that Romans did not practice slavery; they were quite big fans of it. But it was not until the Dutch and Portuguese (a millennium later) mariners came into contact with sub-Saharan African peoples that the African slave trade became prevalent.

[raver_408]

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Aren't they there just because of oil. Bush uses the excuse of Iraq having nuclear weapons just to invade them. Also N. Korea says they have an A-bomb.
Do you think they really have 1 or is it just a bluff?
Also some think 9/11 was planned.
What do you think?
If the american government would sink their own ship with their citizens on it, wouldn't they be capable of crashing 4 planes to destroy 2 towers?
Aside from this, would you trade personal freedom for security?
Who do you think will be our next president and how will he deal with the possible future conflicts?

[Armadegon]

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President George W. Bush has the whole thing backwards. What is neccesary is not a troop increase but a troop decrease. If we increase the troops the insurgents in Iraq are likely to take a more aggresive stance and more Iraqi's will join the millitias as a mesure of self deffence. If you think about it the average Iraqi citizen is not very well informed. All they hear is the word "Escalation" wich signals more violence and death. They will be think about the consequences and eventualy realize that if the government collapses then millitias will take control (nevermind they have already taken political if not legal control). This reasoning will promt Iraqi citizens to join a millitia partly for deffence against millitias of another relegion and partly out of hunger for power when millitias topple the government. If troop levels are decreased then the militias will lose morale. Without an enemy to fight they will gradualy decrease violence levels and though secterian violence may spike in the short term over time it will even out.

[Armadegon]

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Aren't they there just because of oil. Bush uses the excuse of Iraq having nuclear weapons just to invade them. Also N. Korea says they have an A-bomb.
Do you think they really have 1 or is it just a bluff?
Also some think 9/11 was planned.
What do you think?
If the american government would sink their own ship with their citizens on it, wouldn't they be capable of crashing 4 planes to destroy 2 towers?
Aside from this, would you trade personal freedom for security?
Who do you think will be our next president and how will he deal with the possible future conflicts?

9/11 was planned. If you look at videos the explosions of both towers are parallel. the planes crashed into them at aproximatley the same height and then after an equal interval with both towers every other floor exploded at equal intervals. do you realy think a terrorist organisation could hide explosives on every other floor and weaken the foundation blocks within less then 5 minutes. Also if you see pictures of the pentagon crash the windows were still intact there were no marks on the ground and there was no trace of a plane. I think that the whole Iraq invasion (and the invasion of afganistan) were carefully plotted so bush could finish what his dad started in the first gulf war

[Armadegon]

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I think we should've trained prisoners instead of good kids to go over there. Instead our prisoners get to watch TV with a roof over their head and 3 meals daily while our kids are getting a tent and killed. Personally that is not cool. This is a war that will never end! Look at the history behind these people, it dates back to the Bible. America got involved decades before 9/11 and it caught up to us. Americans cannot handle the truth. I remember seeing Bush's face while he was in a classroom, his advisor told him the twin towers were hit, he sat there a minute with a blank face! Americans all think it could never happen to this all mighty country...WRONG. They slapped our government in the face and brutally killed. Howabout the hurricane that totally wiped out New Orleans? No one ever thought IT would happen. The people on welfare standing on their roofs waiting on someone to give them something, waiting on someone to save them, while other resourceful people grabbed a boat beside them floating by and used it. "Just Pay taxes, We are on our own" that says to me. The president couldn't stop the twin towers from happening, who knows what's next? Because the way America thinks, there's always going to be loop holes for terrorist to get through it's just a matter of time. Good Luck to us all!!!!

Bush could have prevented that. Instead he played on his PSP. This president and this government are lax incompetent and impersonal. the send 3,000 americans to their deaths let hundreds more die and dont even blink! This could have been prevented and now we have a national defecit of 3-trillion 100,000 troops in Iraq and no way out of it!!!

[Dwhite]

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In my quote about New Orleans' destruction, I failed to mention the Quality Control measures of the Levy, it was the cities responsibility to upkeep them within budgets, noone has ever touched base on that one. Well, they hope noone does. Boy, what a Law Suit!

[2fast4u4ever]

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bush is just a little angel

haha

[Psycho45]

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Bush= more troops
Iraq= mor bombings
FAMILIES= Broken hearts
sooo- Bush+troops+Iraq= more deaths to FAMILIES
simple

[purebloodtexan]

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Guys, this is Critical Thinking.

Although I don't agree with everything Armadegon says, he atleast types good material.......Well, except his 3rd straight post.

Don't multi-post, bud.

Raver, the nuclear weapons idea was put to waste ages ago; the only reason our troops are in there now is to bring democracy to Iraq. And the only reason why we're not in nuclear war right now is, like I said before, there are general laws of war that all organized countries must "abide" to.

Dwhite, I enjoy your statements, no joke.

2fast4u and Psycho, please post something intelligent.

[Wootsicle]

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Eh, although I'd LOVE to pin Iraq on Bush, as I don't support him, you can't just say RAWR BUSH PUT US HERE ANGER! Congress had to agree also. =/ We just have a giant war happy government, that's all. I hate to say so.

[TheTypist]

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True, we are war-happy. But it's still a tough deal. If we just pulled out now, try and make "peace" w/the terrorists, disarm, and try and be all happy, doesn't that leave us open to more terrorist attack?

[Armadegon]

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Guys, this is Critical Thinking.

Although I don't agree with everything Armadegon says, he atleast types good material.......Well, except his 3rd straight post.

Don't multi-post, bud.

Raver, the nuclear weapons idea was put to waste ages ago; the only reason our troops are in there now is to bring democracy to Iraq. And the only reason why we're not in nuclear war right now is, like I said before, there are general laws of war that all organized countries must "abide" to.

Dwhite, I enjoy your statements, no joke.

2fast4u and Psycho, please post something intelligent.

1: Our troops might be there "to bring democracy to Iraq" but are they bringing democracy to Iraq? I'm not insulting or atempting to insult the troops in Iraq but I am questioning the quality and sucess of our strategy.

2: Sorry about the multi-posting It's just once I submit a post I always read it and realize that I missed a major point I was trying to make so I just create a new post. Srry but I can't realy help it.

3: If we used nuclear weapons the results would be disastrous. I'm not saying we shouldn't defend our nation, Im al for security in the U.S. Iraq and the rest of the world but nuclear warfare would have severe consequences even if we were attacking a country that could not launch an offense against the United States. Think about what would happen if Iran gained nuclear weapons in the next few years. Whoever was running Iran at that point could just say that we bombed their neighbors start some religous rant, Nuke us and then point the finger of blame at us for bombing Iraq.