Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

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  • Afrobean
    Admiral in the Red Army
    • Dec 2003
    • 13262

    #136
    Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

    Originally posted by FoJaR
    i'll say that it isnt unconstitutional. at least for now.

    but i've never been arguing that "gay marriage" was unconstitutional, i've been arguing that it's illogical.

    that "gay marriage" is an oxymoron.
    Who cares if it's illogical to you?

    Some people have weird foot fetishes. Would you like to make weird foot sex illegal just because you don't wish to partake in it?

    Really, it only affects one person and that's the homosexual individual. It's not like there will be more homosexual people because of it being legal, and it's not like there will be an overt change in behavior of those homosexual people. All it would do is give legal rights to gay life partners that they wouldn't have otherwise and that do nothing but help they're loved ones. It has a 0% affect on anyone else, but helps them a lot.

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    • FoJaR
      The Worst
      • Nov 2005
      • 2816

      #137
      Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

      Originally posted by Afrobean
      Who cares if it's illogical to you?

      Some people have weird foot fetishes. Would you like to make weird foot sex illegal just because you don't wish to partake in it?
      nope, not at all. i'm not trying to say that homosexuality should be illegal either. next.

      Really, it only affects one person and that's the homosexual individual. It's not like there will be more homosexual people because of it being legal, and it's not like there will be an overt change in behavior of those homosexual people.
      not trying to change homosexual people, they make their own decisions.

      All it would do is give legal rights to gay life partners that they wouldn't have otherwise and that do nothing but help they're loved ones. It has a 0% affect on anyone else, but helps them a lot.
      it' changes the definition of marriage and that affects me personally.

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      • Grandiagod
        FFR Player
        • Jul 2004
        • 6122

        #138
        Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

        Originally posted by FoJaR
        it' changes the definition of marriage and that affects me personally.
        Really? How is two gay people getting married going to affect you?
        He who angers you conquers you. ~Elizabeth Kenny

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        • Excoelis
          FFR Player
          • Oct 2006
          • 17

          #139
          Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

          gays r weird

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          • Afrobean
            Admiral in the Red Army
            • Dec 2003
            • 13262

            #140
            Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

            Dear Mr. FoJaR,

            Arguing semantics is useless. It's just a word. It seriously doesn't matter. Like has been said before, gay marriages would be state issued and would have no affect at all on what you would consider to be legitimate marriages (ie religious based ones).

            Sincerely,
            Afrobean

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            • FoJaR
              The Worst
              • Nov 2005
              • 2816

              #141
              Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

              grandia: how does me pissing on a Koran directly affect a muslim person on the other side of the world? or even down the street?

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              • Grandiagod
                FFR Player
                • Jul 2004
                • 6122

                #142
                Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                Originally posted by FoJaR
                grandia: how does me pissing on a Koran directly affect a muslim person on the other side of the world? or even down the street?
                It doesn't directly affect anyone but the person you are doing it to.
                He who angers you conquers you. ~Elizabeth Kenny

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                • FoJaR
                  The Worst
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 2816

                  #143
                  Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                  what person?

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                  • Grandiagod
                    FFR Player
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 6122

                    #144
                    Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                    Originally posted by FoJaR
                    what person?
                    I misread, I thought you said "Kurd" like the arabic ethnic group.

                    It doesn't directly affect any muslims, it might make some angry. However, if you are saying that gays getting married degrades marriage, that is your viewpoint, not everyones, therefore, your personal feelings don't count in legal arguments.

                    Or even this "definition" of marriage that you keep referring to but can't produce any evidence of.
                    He who angers you conquers you. ~Elizabeth Kenny

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                    • Kilgamayan
                      Super Scooter Happy
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 6583

                      #145
                      Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                      Originally posted by FoJaR
                      it' changes the definition of marriage and that affects me personally.
                      It's not changing the definition of "marriage" because it's exclusively referred to as "gay marriage" instead of just "marriage". The "gay" modifier is never removed (at least not as far as I'm aware).

                      As for your oxymoron argument, "business casual" is a kind of formal dress, and "jumbo shrimp" are a kind of shrimp. They both just happen to be a certain subgroup of the main group that share a common deviation from the norm (casuality and large size, respectively).
                      I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                      • FoJaR
                        The Worst
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 2816

                        #146
                        Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                        Originally posted by Grandiagod
                        I misread, I thought you said "Kurd" like the arabic ethnic group.

                        It doesn't directly affect any muslims, it might make some angry. However, if you are saying that gays getting married degrades marriage, that is your viewpoint, not everyones, therefore, your personal feelings don't count in legal arguments.
                        so some people dont give a rat's ass about islam, they piss on korans, it's not their viewpoint so it makes it okay?

                        Or even this "definition" of marriage that you keep referring to but can't produce any evidence of.
                        Oxford dictionary: marriage

                        • noun the formal union of a man and a woman, by which they become husband and wife.

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                        • FoJaR
                          The Worst
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 2816

                          #147
                          Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                          Originally posted by Kilgamayan
                          It's not changing the definition of "marriage" because it's exclusively referred to as "gay marriage" instead of just "marriage". The "gay" modifier is never removed (at least not as far as I'm aware).

                          As for your oxymoron argument, "business casual" is a kind of formal dress, and "jumbo shrimp" are a kind of shrimp. They both just happen to be a certain subgroup of the main group that share a common deviation from the norm (casuality and large size, respectively).
                          business casual isnt much of an oxymoron, and jumboshrimp is not quite an oxymoron because of the double meaning of shrimp.

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                          • Afrobean
                            Admiral in the Red Army
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 13262

                            #148
                            Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                            Originally posted by FoJaR
                            Oxford dictionary: marriage

                            • noun the formal union of a man and a woman, by which they become husband and wife.
                            marriage

                            • noun 1 the formal union of a man and a woman, by which they become husband and wife. 2 a combination of two or more elements.
                            Bet you thought you could get that by, eh? A marriage can be between ANY TWO THINGS. The only marriage that is specifically between a man and a woman is the religious kind.

                            Oh and by the way:
                            Originally posted by FoJaR
                            business casual isnt much of an oxymoron
                            It is much more of an oxymoron than "gay marriage".

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                            • FoJaR
                              The Worst
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 2816

                              #149
                              Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                              but that's not pertinent. that sense is more metaphorical:

                              "quite clear that the marriage of inorganic and analytical."

                              "A Marriage of Art and Science"

                              which is a reference to real marriage. it's a metaphor.

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                              • Afrobean
                                Admiral in the Red Army
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 13262

                                #150
                                Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                                Even so, according to you, those abstract marriages degrade the value of a real marriage between a man and a woman, because only a marriage between a man and a woman has legitimate value.

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